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December 19, 2018, 04:48:56 AM
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no one prevents the citizens from the poorer locations to enrich themselves through work, why steal from others, that sacrifice themselves in their work?

You seem to equate poverty to stealing. Which is as bigoted a statement as any of Trump's statements.

Everyone with a slight bit of grey matter knows that's never the case. If you have everything and every opportunity to prosper in a world without borders, there will be no need for anyone to steal.

However, just like stupid people, eradicating crime is not possible completely. So there should obviously be justice and punishment system.

The topic is eradicating borders and removing inequality.
You talk about Russia, yes they failed in their pure communism times just because they were corrupt and did not allow anyone to check their mistakes. Thats why they dominated their borders.

Take away their borders then you take away the privacy of such large scale corrupt leaders. Simple.
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December 19, 2018, 04:51:54 AM
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it could happen but only with a global communist police state, borders are then not between countries but between individuals and their access to consumption capacities. and socioeconomic structures.

The idea of an open border is to remove those very limitations and consumption caps. Why should you deserve more food and a better lifestyle just because you happen to be born at a certain geographical location? What makes you the better human?

Here I say you I mean everyone who is from a wealthy first world nation.

Even the term first world is derogatory, seeming like you belong to an alien planet and not earth. Makes no sense.

You know what makes even less sense? Letting everyone into these places of better quality of life there by bringing it all down to the level of the 3rd world. What you are advocating is literally holding others down to make them more equal to others who have less. Furthermore it is idiotic and won't work, because the very people you claim have no right to a better life style make that society function. You think they are gonna stick around? Fuck no, they will go to a nation that protects their investments of time, skills, education, and resources. Also this is why nations are important, because if one starts going down this self destructive path, you can always vote with your feet if you have something of value to offer society.


Let's think for a second.
Would such a world benefit mankind? Would it destabilize the current geo-economics? Is there even a remote possibility that we as humans let go of this ancient tradition of drawing lines on sand that have only served to create problems among masses and has done NOTHING good so far?

will you allow other people to sleep/eat/live in your own house ? i think not.

you see the human nature is designed or could be "programmed" to live within borders, they start small at your own bedroom that is surrounded with borders , then goes to your house as a whole building, then a yard if you have one , a street , a city/state then a country.

how can we convince the rich countries to share their resources with the poor countries when we can't convince our own kids to share the same room?

it is a beautiful dream that i would love to see ,  but sorry to tell you , this is never going to happen on any large scale  Sad

You are mixing privacy with nationality. You take pride on the borders drawn by others, accomplishments achieved by others and take credit for it. That is the biggest reason nationalism sucks.

But privacy is individual. Your doors do not equate to the border of your country.

This isn't just about pride. Pride is just a symbol. This is nothing but a gross oversimplification in a vain attempt to mischaracterize your opponent and attempt to make associations with racial supremacy groups.

This is about security, a means of earning a living, functional social services, and manageable taxes among other things. None of these things are possible with open borders and a welfare state. The two things can not coexist for any significant period of time, furthermore I argue an attempt to implement it is DESIGNED TO FAIL so that in the aftermath predatory actors can take advantage of the state of chaos and need.

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December 19, 2018, 06:13:56 AM
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You know what makes even less sense? Letting everyone into these places of better quality of life there by bringing it all down to the level of the 3rd world. What you are advocating is literally holding others down to make them more equal to others who have less. Furthermore it is idiotic and won't work, because the very people you claim have no right to a better life style make that society function.

This is actually getting to the crux of the issue and is very accurate.  The reality is that much of our privileged quality of life requires keeping poor people poor.  If we don't force poor people to stay in poor places, who will dedicate their labor value to our luxurious lifestyle?  How would we externalize the true cost of our lifestyle?  We wouldn't be able to without borders.  We'd have to pay more towards the full price for the labor required to maintain our lifestyle.  If we couldn't steal anymore, our quality of life would obviously have to come down.

An Iphone would cost 2000 if made with western labor costs.  The true cost of an iphone is much more than that.  We currently pay 600 because poor people subsidize it with their labor value.  

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thats open borders
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December 19, 2018, 06:34:09 AM
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ever heard of independence wars? why should a population that considers itself more industrious than other parts of the world, be enslaved by those in poverty?

world without borders is actually a communist dictatorship.

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December 19, 2018, 08:46:25 AM
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You know what makes even less sense? Letting everyone into these places of better quality of life there by bringing it all down to the level of the 3rd world. What you are advocating is literally holding others down to make them more equal to others who have less. Furthermore it is idiotic and won't work, because the very people you claim have no right to a better life style make that society function.

This is actually getting to the crux of the issue and is very accurate.  The reality is that much of our privileged quality of life requires keeping poor people poor.  If we don't force poor people to stay in poor places, who will dedicate their labor value to our luxurious lifestyle?  How would we externalize the true cost of our lifestyle?  We wouldn't be able to without borders.  We'd have to pay more towards the full price for the labor required to maintain our lifestyle.  If we couldn't steal anymore, our quality of life would obviously have to come down.

An Iphone would cost 2000 if made with western labor costs.  The true cost of an iphone is much more than that.  We currently pay 600 because poor people subsidize it with their labor value.  

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thats open borders


BULLSHIT You just suffer the delusion that bringing everyone to an equal level of poverty to bring "equality" is some how desirable. The 3rd world isn't held down by anything but their own lack of development in their own nations. The best and brightest of these nations leaving for the industrialized world instead of fixing their homeland is the primary culprit. It is a self feeding cycle. No one is holding them down, it is just easier to come here and succeed because we maintain the conditions necessary to do so instead of capitulating to delusional children such as yourself, just like the people who run the Socialist nations these people are fleeing from. Being able to immigrate if you have valuable skills is not open borders, that is exactly the system we operate under currently in the US. People with desirable occupational skills get preferential access.

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December 19, 2018, 11:20:16 AM
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Open borders do two things. They get rid of racism (on the outside). And they attempt to unite people into one melting pot so that the one-worlders can take them over easier.

Consider. People only migrate because they feel they have a chance to improve their conditions. It's a big job to migrate. So things must be pretty bad where they are coming from, or there is promise of much better where they are moving to.

Consider. Do you like your neighbors? Somewhat, perhaps. Some might even be good friends. But some are like the Hatfields and McCoys... like Rand Paul's neighbor who jumped him and broke his ribs which put him in the hospital. Is that what you want in open borders? Because that is what you might get. You never know.

Open borders only works when ALL the people are taught to "lover your neighbor as yourself" and to "do the good unto others that you would have them do to you." If some of them or you don't follow these rules, there will be trouble.

Consider some tribal Africans moving in next to you. Their customs and religion might tell them to get up at midnight and beat the drums loudly. And what about some SE Asians who love to eat dogs and cats, roasting them on a spit, over a front yard fire? Would you want to give one of your daughters in marriage to one of their sons? Would you want to take one of them to be your wife?

Regarding the USA, and in the other common law countries, if a foreigner learns the language and customs very well, and knows the basics of common law and the court system, he can easily move in, without border checks, and beat the challenge in the courts if it comes to that.

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December 19, 2018, 12:02:45 PM
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Open borders do two things. They get rid of racism (on the outside). And they attempt to unite people into one melting pot so that the one-worlders can take them over easier.


This is typical muddled thinking that comes from education by the snowflake teachers created by the globalists. If you can't eradicate family feuds, or ethnic conflicts within a country, why would removing borders help?

The only area where removing borders seems to help a community is in the world of the elite bankers and super rich. They create social and wealth borders though, and they disregard geographic or cultural borders and differences. The sub-cultures are just an annoyance, and that is why they are well under way with their eugenics projects. Removing borders would be a great help to them as the members of the sub-strata of society attempt to kill each other.

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December 19, 2018, 12:13:46 PM
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Open borders do two things. They get rid of racism (on the outside). And they attempt to unite people into one melting pot so that the one-worlders can take them over easier.


This is typical muddled thinking that comes from education by the snowflake teachers created by the globalists. If you can't eradicate family feuds, or ethnic conflicts within a country, why would removing borders help?

The only area where removing borders seems to help a community is in the world of the elite bankers and super rich. They create social and wealth borders though, and they disregard geographic or cultural borders and differences. The sub-cultures are just an annoyance, and that is why they are well under way with their eugenics projects. Removing borders would be a great help to them as the members of the sub-strata of society attempt to kill each other.

Border control is government control over the people. Why? Because it removes free passage of citizens to get out if they want.

The only thing that counts is if people are injured by other people. Limited free entry into another country is beneficial if the migrant fits in among the people. Mass migration should be controlled by government so people are not hurt. Let the locals decide about limited migration into their area.

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December 21, 2018, 02:08:54 AM
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....an attempt to implement it is DESIGNED TO FAIL so that in the aftermath predatory actors can take advantage of the state of chaos and need.

Namely, when the states grow weaker, the UN grows that much more stronger, on and on...
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December 21, 2018, 12:12:26 PM
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This would be nice if the world has a single currency
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December 21, 2018, 12:39:24 PM
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This would be nice if the world has a single currency

No, it wouldn't. You'd have the UN skimming off the top, printing more money and such and handing it out to those on the corrupt inner circle.
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December 22, 2018, 12:57:18 AM
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At present time when worlds are already been divided by different areas in which country has area of responsibility, so world wothout borders really is good enough because it will show unity but there are really people who are greedy to powers and will try to rule everone so that is why every country will have borders ,to have each own government.
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December 22, 2018, 01:36:33 AM
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At present time when worlds are already been divided by different areas in which country has area of responsibility, so world wothout borders really is good enough because it will show unity but there are really people who are greedy to powers and will try to rule everone so that is why every country will have borders ,to have each own government.



If I was a Muslim strategist seeking a medium term tactic for world dominion, I would certainly advocate "open borders," for the WESTERN NATIONS. Then I'd be certain that Saudi and other key Muslim nations did not have open borders.

How about that. That's exactly what's happening.
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December 22, 2018, 02:14:20 AM
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At present time when worlds are already been divided by different areas in which country has area of responsibility, so world wothout borders really is good enough because it will show unity but there are really people who are greedy to powers and will try to rule everone so that is why every country will have borders ,to have each own government.



If I was a Muslim strategist seeking a medium term tactic for world dominion, I would certainly advocate "open borders," for the WESTERN NATIONS. Then I'd be certain that Saudi and other key Muslim nations did not have open borders.

How about that. That's exactly what's happening.

it will rebalance itself,

the end of central banks will spark the meaning of family businesses, and russian orthodox church is powering a surplus population growth in russia, so it will change. it was only temprorary during the perfectionistic atheism area in europe/usa after WW2

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December 26, 2018, 10:34:28 PM
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A world without borders will be best but first humans need to see themselves as brothers ans sisters and root out any trace of racial superiority and prejudice. just as our doors are always open to our family members.

i trust one day the world will be like this 
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December 27, 2018, 01:58:03 AM
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A world without borders will be best but first humans need to see themselves as brothers ans sisters and root out any trace of racial superiority and prejudice. just as our doors are always open to our family members.

i trust one day the world will be like this 

there will never be a world without borders, the borders will simply change

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December 28, 2018, 09:48:12 AM
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Let's think for a second.
Would such a world benefit mankind? Would it destabilize the current geo-economics? Is there even a remote possibility that we as humans let go of this ancient tradition of drawing lines on sand that have only served to create problems among masses and has done NOTHING good so far?
Without borders, every country would be in trouble. There will increase crime in a second and without restriction. Yes, we can expect one world one currency like as Bitcoin but no without a border.

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December 28, 2018, 02:08:40 PM
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Let's think for a second.
Would such a world benefit mankind? Would it destabilize the current geo-economics? Is there even a remote possibility that we as humans let go of this ancient tradition of drawing lines on sand that have only served to create problems among masses and has done NOTHING good so far?
Without borders, every country would be in trouble. There will increase crime in a second and without restriction. Yes, we can expect one world one currency like as Bitcoin but no without a border.

Interesting comment but not clearly stated. Here is what I think you are saying.

Nations do not need individual currencies, the people of the world can handle that with crypto and bitcoin. But nations need and have borders.
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December 28, 2018, 11:02:51 PM
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Just travel back in time, you'll find one...

But don't complain that you are chased by a saber-toothed cat...

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December 29, 2018, 05:09:08 AM
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Just travel back in time, you'll find one...

But don't complain that you are chased by a saber-toothed cat...

I think they might barbecue quite nicely...
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