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December 17, 2018, 01:25:55 AM
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Let's think for a second.
Would such a world benefit mankind? Would it destabilize the current geo-economics? Is there even a remote possibility that we as humans let go of this ancient tradition of drawing lines on sand that have only served to create problems among masses and has done NOTHING good so far?
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December 17, 2018, 05:53:37 AM
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Let's think for a second.
Would such a world benefit mankind? Would it destabilize the current geo-economics? Is there even a remote possibility that we as humans let go of this ancient tradition of drawing lines on sand that have only served to create problems among masses and has done NOTHING good so far?

it would work but not with the current communal oriented social security systems, as those would cause opportunistic migrations,

planetary civilisations would of course, work,

european union also destroyed its internal borders, and it still works, so why not all others,

main problem is that populations seem to act hostile against each other.

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December 17, 2018, 05:55:39 AM
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Our entire economic system depends on the externalization of costs and since Earth is essentially a closed system, without the human construct of borders, there would be no "external" place to hide the costs.  Without the ability to externalize the costs, our economic system would have to realize and "pay for" the true cost of all activities.  This would require a radical shift and would be extremely uncomfortable.  

As long as there are restrictive borders, costs can be paid by people and places that are out of sight and out of mind. We have to keep people in these countries so we build walls, fences and barriers like cages to make sure they don't escape.  If they emptied out, there would be no one left to pay our externalized costs.

What types of costs are we talking about? All of them.

Labor costs- Without borders, there would be no place to hold people to cheap labor.  In that situation, the full cost of labor would have to be paid globally.  Even if you kept most borders but eliminated borders within the global south, it would be problematic.  In the current system, companies can force workers in thailand to eat the costs under the threat of moving elsewhere.  If Thailand doesn't like it, they can simply move to Vietnam.  Without borders between these countries, there would be nowhere to run and the companies would have to pay the true cost of labor.  

Environmental costs Where would we send our trash and pollution if there were no borders?  It is not a coincidence that the countries who benefit from pollution are not the countries who suffer the consequences of it.  We are consuming the environment without having to assume the costs of that consumption.  

Cost of natural resources There must be countries where we can keep education low, wages low, so that people do not know the true value of their resources.   If people knew the true value of their resources, we would have to assume the full costs of these resources.  This is why colonial powers drew up post colonial borders on their own terms.  
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December 17, 2018, 07:34:10 AM
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Borders are not limited to human being.  We see borders actually prevailing in other living beings.  A dog of one street if goes to the other street by mistake or otherwise, all the dogs of that street will unitedly attack and force that dog to run back to it's own area.

I have several times watching Discovery or Animal planets Television shows.  I saw lions leaving the marks / smell of their body hair or urine on the borders.  Whenever some lion from other area reaches their the urine smell gives the other lion the warning that some other lion is there which will attack if it enters that area.  And now it depends upon it's courage and power whether it decides to enter that danger zone or pulls back.

Due to several reasons human beings also drew their border lines.  They protected their borders from the different tribes / countries which otherwise may attack them.  The attackers if win will make them slaves and force them to do hard labour for the winners.  Even the women of that area may be forced for sexual relations.  Wealth will be looted.  So only the solution to this problems was to create borders and protect these borders with full force.

Now though the time has changed; but if the borders are withdrawn / opened we will see major migration among nations.  The people from poor less developed countries will immediately try to occupy lands in developed countries.  This may affect developed nations in worst way.

The border free zones are possible in the same standard countries having almost same population wealth education etc.  Like in European where borders are open for few member countries. 

Also it is not possible until the humanity rises above the communal thoughts.  There is much hate among different communities having faith in different religions.  So man first must rise above such communal thinking only then it will be possible for border less world.
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December 17, 2018, 12:31:42 PM
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This idea would only exacerbate tensions in communities and destroy cultures whilst destroying lower class wages and increases upper class profits. I want growth but everyone needs to benefit.

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December 17, 2018, 02:19:26 PM
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This idea would only exacerbate tensions in communities and destroy cultures whilst destroying lower class wages and increases upper class profits. I want growth but everyone needs to benefit.

These fuckin' loons think we can just swing the doors open and hand out teddy bears and everything will be fine.

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December 17, 2018, 02:57:55 PM
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All things are based on private property.

Even in socialistic, communistic, dictatorship countries, all is partially private property. How? If you don't own your land, you at least own your clothing. If you don't own your clothing, you at least own your body. If you don't own your body, you at least own some of your thinking. If you don't own your thinking, you own your soul.

Open-borders always has its limitations. You don't want other people trampling on and stealing your property... even if you want to trample or steal on the property of others. Other people feel the same about you (if they think about it).

Thinking about this in this way, turns the limited-borders idea into a question of what the limits are and should be. It also starts to reveal that there isn't supposed to be any slavery except when it is volunteered slavery.

In the country of Western Sahara - and in several countries in Africa - there is slavery so intense that it is often greater than brainwashing could produce. The slaves feel and think that being slaves is the proper way of life. And their masters feel the same way. It has been inbred in all of them for many generations. But if you search the Net, you find that even this form of no-borders is breaking down after many generations.

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December 17, 2018, 05:35:33 PM
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Now though the time has changed; but if the borders are withdrawn / opened we will see major migration among nations.  The people from poor less developed countries will immediately try to occupy lands in developed countries.  This may affect developed nations in worst way.

The border free zones are possible in the same standard countries having almost same population wealth education etc.  Like in European where borders are open for few member countries.  

Also it is not possible until the humanity rises above the communal thoughts.  There is much hate among different communities having faith in different religions.  So man first must rise above such communal thinking only then it will be possible for border less world.
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So Poland and Hungary have the same standard of wealth and education as Switzerland and Norway?

Have all Polish and Hungarian people left and fled to those countries?


You have to experience different cultures before you can get rid of the ignorance towards them.  Anyone who has traveled the world will tell you this.  All groups of people are basically the same.  It is only environmental conditions that are different. It is only people who remain in homogenous populations who fear different people, want to put up walls and isolate themselves from the world.   Traveled people recognize the value in all cultures.  
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December 17, 2018, 10:00:44 PM
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Now though the time has changed; but if the borders are withdrawn / opened we will see major migration among nations.  The people from poor less developed countries will immediately try to occupy lands in developed countries.  This may affect developed nations in worst way....

I think there would be a good chance the developed countries would then slump backwards, and the entire world would suffer and become third world.

Or the developed countries targeted for these invasions would suffer tremendously. Almost as if it was a plan pushed by their enemies...
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December 18, 2018, 07:07:41 PM
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Now though the time has changed; but if the borders are withdrawn / opened we will see major migration among nations.  The people from poor less developed countries will immediately try to occupy lands in developed countries.  This may affect developed nations in worst way....

I think there would be a good chance the developed countries would then slump backwards, and the entire world would suffer and become third world.

Or the developed countries targeted for these invasions would suffer tremendously. Almost as if it was a plan pushed by their enemies...

But it could also be the opposite thing. What if all the world was free and then people would simply not need to move to a developed nation when every nation is the same nation? All regions would grow simultaneously and the law of capitalism would prevail as the big companies would start cashing in on the poorer parts of the world as they won't have to worry about double taxation and a slew of other things which prevents them from investing or developing infrastructure right now.


These fuckin' loons think we can just swing the doors open and hand out teddy bears and everything will be fine.

Not a fuckin loon. And why can't we?
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December 18, 2018, 09:27:58 PM
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Not a fuckin loon. And why can't we?

Sorry, heavily indoctrinated naive person. Is that better? Because no borders means nations will cease to exist. You can't have no borders in a country any more than you can have no borders in a pool. Without the borders all you have is a patch of wet dirt.

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December 18, 2018, 10:48:04 PM
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A friend of mine wanted a world without borders. Then he got into a fight with his neighbor and built a fucking wood barrier.

I told him you couldn't even avoid a wall with your neighbor, how the heck were you gona make the world without borders?

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December 18, 2018, 11:15:29 PM
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A friend of mine wanted a world without borders. Then he got into a fight with his neighbor and built a fucking wood barrier.

I told him you couldn't even avoid a wall with your neighbor, how the heck were you gona make the world without borders?

lol,

jes live is mostly just spiritual,

in a world without borders, there will be security systems of private individuals or organisations keeping up the divisions,

take cryptomarket as an example it claims to be open but in truth it has borders of corruption and bribery needed to penetrate it.

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December 19, 2018, 02:37:03 AM
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A friend of mine wanted a world without borders. Then he got into a fight with his neighbor and built a fucking wood barrier.

I told him you couldn't even avoid a wall with your neighbor, how the heck were you gona make the world without borders?

There is not even an Internet without borders; much censorship in the Middle East, Russia, China.
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December 19, 2018, 03:44:47 AM
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Let's think for a second.
Would such a world benefit mankind? Would it destabilize the current geo-economics? Is there even a remote possibility that we as humans let go of this ancient tradition of drawing lines on sand that have only served to create problems among masses and has done NOTHING good so far?

will you allow other people to sleep/eat/live in your own house ? i think not.

you see the human nature is designed or could be "programmed" to live within borders, they start small at your own bedroom that is surrounded with borders , then goes to your house as a whole building, then a yard if you have one , a street , a city/state then a country.

how can we convince the rich countries to share their resources with the poor countries when we can't convince our own kids to share the same room?

it is a beautiful dream that i would love to see ,  but sorry to tell you , this is never going to happen on any large scale  Sad

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December 19, 2018, 03:47:50 AM
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Let's think for a second.
Would such a world benefit mankind? Would it destabilize the current geo-economics? Is there even a remote possibility that we as humans let go of this ancient tradition of drawing lines on sand that have only served to create problems among masses and has done NOTHING good so far?

will you allow other people to sleep/eat/live in your own house ? i think not.

you see the human nature is designed or could be "programmed" to live within borders, they start small at your own bedroom that is surrounded with borders , then goes to your house as a whole building, then a yard if you have one , a street , a city/state then a country.

how can we convince the rich countries to share their resources with the poor countries when we can't convince our own kids to share the same room?

it is a beautiful dream that i would love to see ,  but sorry to tell you , this is never going to happen on any large scale  Sad

it could happen but only with a global communist police state, borders are then not between countries but between individuals and their access to consumption capacities. and socioeconomic structures.

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December 19, 2018, 04:40:10 AM
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it could happen but only with a global communist police state, borders are then not between countries but between individuals and their access to consumption capacities. and socioeconomic structures.

The idea of an open border is to remove those very limitations and consumption caps. Why should you deserve more food and a better lifestyle just because you happen to be born at a certain geographical location? What makes you the better human?

Here I say you I mean everyone who is from a wealthy first world nation.

Even the term first world is derogatory, seeming like you belong to an alien planet and not earth. Makes no sense.
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December 19, 2018, 04:42:02 AM
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Let's think for a second.
Would such a world benefit mankind? Would it destabilize the current geo-economics? Is there even a remote possibility that we as humans let go of this ancient tradition of drawing lines on sand that have only served to create problems among masses and has done NOTHING good so far?

will you allow other people to sleep/eat/live in your own house ? i think not.

you see the human nature is designed or could be "programmed" to live within borders, they start small at your own bedroom that is surrounded with borders , then goes to your house as a whole building, then a yard if you have one , a street , a city/state then a country.

how can we convince the rich countries to share their resources with the poor countries when we can't convince our own kids to share the same room?

it is a beautiful dream that i would love to see ,  but sorry to tell you , this is never going to happen on any large scale  Sad

You are mixing privacy with nationality. You take pride on the borders drawn by others, accomplishments achieved by others and take credit for it. That is the biggest reason nationalism sucks.

But privacy is individual. Your doors do not equate to the border of your country.
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December 19, 2018, 04:43:14 AM
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it could happen but only with a global communist police state, borders are then not between countries but between individuals and their access to consumption capacities. and socioeconomic structures.

The idea of an open border is to remove those very limitations and consumption caps. Why should you deserve more food and a better lifestyle just because you happen to be born at a certain geographical location? What makes you the better human?

Here I say you I mean everyone who is from a wealthy first world nation.

Even the term first world is derogatory, seeming like you belong to an alien planet and not earth. Makes no sense.

no one prevents the citizens from the poorer locations to enrich themselves through work, why steal from others, that sacrifice themselves in their work?

check soviet russia society, there you will see inequality comes back even if all are equal.

in a global communist state, there will be again capitalists arising out of common consensus and those will be privilegedly threated, even if they are not claim themselves being appointed by gods etc.

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December 19, 2018, 04:44:40 AM
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Not a fuckin loon. And why can't we?

Sorry, heavily indoctrinated naive person. Is that better? Because no borders means nations will cease to exist. You can't have no borders in a country any more than you can have no borders in a pool. Without the borders all you have is a patch of wet dirt.

Insulting only reveals your simplistic barbaric nature.

Let's dismantle nations. Lets unbreak the walls generations of brainwashing has turned humans into no better than mongrel dogs fighting among each other for territory to which they have no individual right on. Why?
Your assumptions about me being fuckin loon or indoctrinated wahteevr does not make sense. Just like how borders don't make sense.
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