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October 08, 2018, 06:24:12 PM
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So far, only I have a smile when I hear that 0.01 bitcoin are a large amount
The best proof is not words but the result.  Do  mix on 0.01 btc or  too much for you?
Give me 0.0101BTC and I'll test the mix for you. Shouldn't be a problem since it's such a low amount.

You can send it here: 1NinjabXd5znM5zgTcmxDVzH4w3nbaY16L

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October 08, 2018, 06:30:52 PM
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after reading all the arguments above, hmmm, you need to chill out, take it easy and just one thing you have to do;
How can you convince people to use your mixing service while there are some mixers around which literally better and trusted?
I doubt even someone willing to take the risk in order to use your service without any positive response and guarantee.

So you're saying you run a mixer but don't know how to sign a message?
Or  if I give an address with a signature that they belong to me, will it be enough for you?

One or two addresses with the sign in message will be good enough for a start, just prove you have it.

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October 08, 2018, 06:33:28 PM
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So far, only I have a smile when I hear that 0.01 bitcoin are a large amount
The best proof is not words but the result.  Do  mix on 0.01 btc or  too much for you?
Give me 0.0101BTC and I'll test the mix for you. Shouldn't be a problem since it's such a low amount.

You can send it here: 1NinjabXd5znM5zgTcmxDVzH4w3nbaY16L
ok no problem. now i will send
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October 08, 2018, 07:01:46 PM
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So far, only I have a smile when I hear that 0.01 bitcoin are a large amount
The best proof is not words but the result.  Do  mix on 0.01 btc or  too much for you?
Give me 0.0101BTC and I'll test the mix for you. Shouldn't be a problem since it's such a low amount.

You can send it here: 1NinjabXd5znM5zgTcmxDVzH4w3nbaY16L
Check pls
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October 08, 2018, 07:41:36 PM
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Ok then.

First, I disliked the overall design. But that's just my opinion.

A few suggestions:
- You should add a Letter of Guarantee for every mixing;
- You should reorganize your FAQ. E.g: in the "Concerns" tab, put the question text on one line and the answer in the other (and/or bold the questions). Right now, everything is just a single block of text.
- Let the user choose the mix time (delay);

Two concerns:
- If the minimum is 0.01BTC and any lower amount will be considered as a donation, why do you let the user put something like 0.005BTC in the "You send bitcoin" field and start mixing? And the worst part is that the minimum amount info only can be found in the FAQ. Here is a real example: https://mixercoin.co/en/order/5bbbb2b6656cc260ea7e3ebb - what happens if I send the 0.005BTC?
- What happens if my transaction stays unconfirmed for more than 72 hours, which is when you delete all "non-executed" orders?

I'll update this post when I receive the coins in 45 minutes.

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October 08, 2018, 07:48:02 PM
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Ok then.

First, I disliked the overall design. But that's just my opinion.

A few suggestions:
- You should add a Letter of Guarantee for every mixing;
- You should reorganize your FAQ. E.g: in the "Concerns" tab, put the question text on one line and the answer in the other (and/or bold the questions). Right now, everything is just a single block of text.
- Let the user choose the mix time (delay);

Two concerns:
- If the minimum is 0.01BTC and any lower amount will be considered as a donation, why do you let the user put something like 0.005BTC in the "You send bitcoin" field and start mixing? And the worst part is that the minimum amount info only can be found in the FAQ. Here is a real example: https://mixercoin.co/en/order/5bbbb2b6656cc260ea7e3ebb - what happens if I send the 0.005BTC?
- What happens if my transaction stays unconfirmed for more than 72 hours, which is when you delete all "non-executed" orders?

I'll update this post when I receive the coins in 45 minutes.
No need to deviate from the topic of conversation. You were asked to send you to the test. The minimum amount of mixing is 0.01 bitcoin. Create an order
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October 08, 2018, 07:53:04 PM
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Ok then.

First, I disliked the overall design. But that's just my opinion.

A few suggestions:
- You should add a Letter of Guarantee for every mixing;
- You should reorganize your FAQ. E.g: in the "Concerns" tab, put the question text on one line and the answer in the other (and/or bold the questions). Right now, everything is just a single block of text.
- Let the user choose the mix time (delay);

Two concerns:
- If the minimum is 0.01BTC and any lower amount will be considered as a donation, why do you let the user put something like 0.005BTC in the "You send bitcoin" field and start mixing? And the worst part is that the minimum amount info only can be found in the FAQ. Here is a real example: https://mixercoin.co/en/order/5bbbb2b6656cc260ea7e3ebb - what happens if I send the 0.005BTC?
- What happens if my transaction stays unconfirmed for more than 72 hours, which is when you delete all "non-executed" orders?

I'll update this post when I receive the coins in 45 minutes.
No need to deviate from the topic of conversation. You were asked to send you to the test. The minimum amount of mixing is 0.01 bitcoin. Create an order
I already did. That's why I specifically said:

"I'll update this post when I receive the coins in 45 minutes."

I just wrote a valid concern. Some users may end up trying to mix a lower amount and since it's accepted, they will "donate" their coins without knowing. Isn't that why I'm testing your mixer? To see if your mixer works, find issues and give you suggestions? If the minimum is 0.01BTC, the mixer should only accept orders if the amount is > 0.01BTC. This information should also be at the front page of your website.

Stop looking at just one part of the post and read everything.

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October 08, 2018, 08:06:22 PM
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Ok then.

First, I disliked the overall design. But that's just my opinion.

A few suggestions:
- You should add a Letter of Guarantee for every mixing;
- You should reorganize your FAQ. E.g: in the "Concerns" tab, put the question text on one line and the answer in the other (and/or bold the questions). Right now, everything is just a single block of text.
- Let the user choose the mix time (delay);

Two concerns:
- If the minimum is 0.01BTC and any lower amount will be considered as a donation, why do you let the user put something like 0.005BTC in the "You send bitcoin" field and start mixing? And the worst part is that the minimum amount info only can be found in the FAQ. Here is a real example: https://mixercoin.co/en/order/5bbbb2b6656cc260ea7e3ebb - what happens if I send the 0.005BTC?
- What happens if my transaction stays unconfirmed for more than 72 hours, which is when you delete all "non-executed" orders?

I'll update this post when I receive the coins in 45 minutes.
No need to deviate from the topic of conversation. You were asked to send you to the test. The minimum amount of mixing is 0.01 bitcoin. Create an order
I already did. That's why I specifically said:

"I'll update this post when I receive the coins in 45 minutes."

I just wrote a valid concern. Some users may end up trying to mix a lower amount and since it's accepted, they will "donate" their coins without knowing. Isn't that why I'm testing your mixer? To see if your mixer works, find issues and give you suggestions? If the minimum is 0.01BTC, the mixer should only accept orders if the amount is > 0.01BTC. This information should also be at the front page of your website.

Stop looking at just one part of the post and read everything.
Did not quite understand where you got the time 45 minutes. I  see that less than 5 minutes, since we only received 1 confirmation
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October 08, 2018, 08:10:56 PM
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Did not quite understand where you got the time 45 minutes. I  see that less than 5 minutes, since we only received 1 confirmation
Your mixer automatically chose 45 min as the delay time (waiting time) for me. Doesn't that mean that after 1 confirmation, I will receive the coins in 45 minutes?

Anyways, I received the coins (with a transaction fee of 18 sat/byte, which is higher than what I would have chosen). Maybe let the users choose the transaction fee as well?

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October 08, 2018, 08:22:10 PM
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Did not quite understand where you got the time 45 minutes. I  see that less than 5 minutes, since we only received 1 confirmation
Your mixer automatically chose 45 min as the delay time (waiting time) for me. Doesn't that mean that after 1 confirmation, I will receive the coins in 45 minutes?

Anyways, I received the coins (with a transaction fee of 18 sat/byte, which is higher than what I would have chosen). Maybe let the users choose the transaction fee as well?

This is an approximate time. Commission selected optimal for fast mixing.
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October 09, 2018, 06:10:59 AM
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18 sat/byte wasn't necessarily optimal, hasn't been for a while except for occassional spikes in the past few months.

Still, you should read the comments objectively and use it to improve your service... People who want to mix their coins want to do it for privacy. This also means that they want as much customisation and randomisation as possible. In your OP, you do note that any customising option is available for discussion, so that's what's happening.

Custom fees, custom delays, letter of guarantee... Very basic features mixers have. You would need those at minimum to try compete with the best.

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October 09, 2018, 06:25:36 AM
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time of the mix ranges from 15 minutes to 1 hour

We have a plan to
open the same service on the Onion

Since you are announcing your service, I think this should be made in the Service Announcement section of the forum.

Pardon my bluntness, one first timing issue, how do you expect someone to send his coin to you for mixing and have to want for close to 1hour in other to get his coin back in which within that one hour a lot of things could have happened. Several confirmations which makes the fund gone forever. Not that I am saying your business is up for that but you must remove all elements of doubt in this kind of business which is purely based on trust.

On the second one, mixing service is based on complete anonymity and the onion version should be announced with any version you are announcing as that is when people tend to take you serious not that its in development. Again, by the time DDOS attack is launched at your service, its the onion version that would be the saving grace. Wishing you all the best.
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October 09, 2018, 09:56:13 AM
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18 sat/byte wasn't necessarily optimal, hasn't been for a while except for occassional spikes in the past few months.

Still, you should read the comments objectively and use it to improve your service... People who want to mix their coins want to do it for privacy. This also means that they want as much customisation and randomisation as possible. In your OP, you do note that any customising option is available for discussion, so that's what's happening.

Custom fees, custom delays, letter of guarantee... Very basic features mixers have. You would need those at minimum to try compete with the best.
we focused on safety, on the cost of mixing. We are working on improving the service. there will be new improvements(soon). Perhaps there are flaws but I have not heard the objective requirements.
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October 09, 2018, 10:03:42 AM
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time of the mix ranges from 15 minutes to 1 hour

We have a plan to
open the same service on the Onion

Since you are announcing your service, I think this should be made in the Service Announcement section of the forum.

Pardon my bluntness, one first timing issue, how do you expect someone to send his coin to you for mixing and have to want for close to 1hour in other to get his coin back in which within that one hour a lot of things could have happened. Several confirmations which makes the fund gone forever. Not that I am saying your business is up for that but you must remove all elements of doubt in this kind of business which is purely based on trust.

On the second one, mixing service is based on complete anonymity and the onion version should be announced with any version you are announcing as that is when people tend to take you serious not that its in development. Again, by the time DDOS attack is launched at your service, its the onion version that would be the saving grace. Wishing you all the best.
the service works as you saw pretty quickly as we have enough own funds.
Yes, in the near future there will be a new update on onion
But you understand that onion is not 100% protection of your safety.
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October 09, 2018, 06:02:55 PM
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of course. We can .it is not very much
Sure... "it's not very much"; Then how about 200BTC or 500BTC?

Do you mind telling us how much BTC you approximately have?

Also, you didn't answer Loyce before?
Can you at least sign a message to prove ownership of substantial funds?
You didn't understand what he means in his proposal, let me explain, he can receive unlimited amount of bitcoins and mix it, but without returning. Don't get angry OP, it's a joke if we call it. Btw your unlimited mixing ability sounds like unlimited storage offered from hosting providers.
Your service isn't different from others, you have to lower min number of coins, it was mentioned a lot of times, don't be so strong-willed.
Take a chill pill, you have to attract us, not to fight us. Also don't sign like cryptomixer did lol.
Come here with 100% working website/functions and then open new thread for beta testing.

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October 09, 2018, 06:27:38 PM
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18 sat/byte wasn't necessarily optimal, hasn't been for a while except for occassional spikes in the past few months.

Still, you should read the comments objectively and use it to improve your service... People who want to mix their coins want to do it for privacy. This also means that they want as much customisation and randomisation as possible. In your OP, you do note that any customising option is available for discussion, so that's what's happening.

Custom fees, custom delays, letter of guarantee... Very basic features mixers have. You would need those at minimum to try compete with the best.
On the bold part, this is the only thing i do like for OP to consider on to accept on whats being suggested yet community do knows on how a mixer works and even the basic things that are preferred.
I had read up which he do always on contrary.  Cheesy


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October 11, 2018, 12:43:41 PM
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of course. We can .it is not very much
Sure... "it's not very much"; Then how about 200BTC or 500BTC?

Do you mind telling us how much BTC you approximately have?

Also, you didn't answer Loyce before?
Can you at least sign a message to prove ownership of substantial funds?
You didn't understand what he means in his proposal, let me explain, he can receive unlimited amount of bitcoins and mix it, but without returning. Don't get angry OP, it's a joke if we call it. Btw your unlimited mixing ability sounds like unlimited storage offered from hosting providers.
Your service isn't different from others, you have to lower min number of coins, it was mentioned a lot of times, don't be so strong-willed.
Take a chill pill, you have to attract us, not to fight us. Also don't sign like cryptomixer did lol.
Come here with 100% working website/functions and then open new thread for beta testing.
I would like to clarify why raising this unnecessary conversation, if anyway people here complain that for them 0.01 btc is a lot)
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October 12, 2018, 01:48:53 PM
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I think mixercoin didn't really enjoy the discussion here when started his topic so he started a new thread with same topic (almost the same title) in the same day. Unfortunetly, he received posts yesterday in that second thread: Here the link to it:
New service of mixing BTC MIXERCOIN.CO : https://bitcointalk.to/index.php?topic=5046279.0

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October 12, 2018, 03:23:51 PM
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Question to you. Do you have money?
It is not how it works. We are asking questions, not you.

We have at least 10 addresses on which there are bitcoins.
Sign message from at least 10 addresses where you hold bitcoins. We want to see:

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We own enough bitcoins.


Do you propose to make these addresses public.
They will be public sooner or later anyway.
Do you understand what you are asking for?

I do not understand the consistency of this request
Yes, you do. Stop playing dumb.
Sign messages to prove solvency.

Or  if I give an address with a signature that they belong to me, will it be enough for you?
Use today's date on all 10 addresses.

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October 12, 2018, 04:21:47 PM
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I think mixercoin didn't really enjoy the discussion here when started his topic so he started a new thread with same topic (almost the same title) in the same day. Unfortunetly, he received posts yesterday in that second thread: Here the link to it:
New service of mixing BTC MIXERCOIN.CO : https://bitcointalk.to/index.php?topic=5046279.0

Well, even if you're an anonymous mixing type I would expect a reasonable amount of politeness and professionalism rather than lobbing back questions at people in a churlish manner. Either the creator of the thread stubbed its toe before answering every post here or they're not the type of person worth dealing with.

I'll wait for 11-12 years of flawless operation before considering giving them a go.

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