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October 26, 2018, 06:00:26 AM
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First, I did not use that dynamic IPs and did not record the address when I used it to test freebitco.in registration a few days ago

second, I am just like you, some time ago when your IP was blocked and TheQuin asked about your IP and you decided not to reveal it.
I'm just not comfortable when revealing my location

if my analysis is correct then maybe this also happens to many Dynamic ISPs and will cause a decrease in traffic to freebitco.in

but TheQuin was very sure of the system he designed, so maybe I was wrong

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I have considered ISP with 150 million customers as a clue


As I said we don't block ISPs so I didn't research how many customers they have. The IP databases are not 100% accurate and sometimes when the database is updated an address range can be reclassified as a VPN, proxy or whatever. I try and only block ranges that are heavily abused rather than rely just on the classification. I respect all of our customers' privacy but I'm sure you understand I can't look into it without the IP address affected.


Thequin has given a fair reasoning there.
@garry, if you want to contact your isp to ask them to give you a new IP address then that might help you and mean you don’t have to hand it over to thequin.
Otherwise, you’ll hav pe to give your IP address to thequin to try to remove you from the database.

TheQuin already said he blocks a range of IP's, if and when it is found that it is abusing the system. A new IP from the same ISP will most probably be in the same range or subnet, so this will not help.

I respect the fact that people do not want to dox themselves, by giving out information that might help people to reveal their true identity, but then they will have to be willing to cut their losses. <losing deposited funds and also referral income>  Sad

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October 26, 2018, 06:31:29 AM
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I tried to see traffic to freebitco.in through a site like this:

https://www.similarweb.com/website/freebitco.in

we can see that the traffic has fallen by more than 50% in 2 months.
I dare not say that it was caused by a massive blocking carried out by TheQuin because it could also be caused by people's interest in bitcoin has declined.

Free rolls have also declined by 50% but wagering volume has remained the same.


so you block IP addresses at a certain range
based on what I know, if the IP address that you block is the IP address of the Dynamic ISP, it will make thousands or millions (depending on the range you block) of innocent IP addresses victimized because the workings of Dynamic IP addresses are random like the process of creating bitcoin addresses when randomizing the SHA-256 number as a raw private key.
That's if I don't misunderstand the word "range" that you mean.

It really depends on how the IP address database has it defined. ISPs usually have many thousands of ranges and they each vary in size. Generally speaking the average range I'm talking about when adding a block is a class C subnet of 254 usable addresses.


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October 26, 2018, 11:55:22 AM
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@kakmakr

First, I did not use that dynamic IPs and did not record the address when I used it to test freebitco.in registration a few days ago

second, I am just like you, some time ago when your IP was blocked and TheQuin asked about your IP and you decided not to reveal it.
I'm just not comfortable when revealing my location

if my analysis is correct then maybe this also happens to many Dynamic ISPs and will cause a decrease in traffic to freebitco.in

but TheQuin was very sure of the system he designed, so maybe I was wrong

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I have considered ISP with 150 million customers as a clue


As I said we don't block ISPs so I didn't research how many customers they have. The IP databases are not 100% accurate and sometimes when the database is updated an address range can be reclassified as a VPN, proxy or whatever. I try and only block ranges that are heavily abused rather than rely just on the classification. I respect all of our customers' privacy but I'm sure you understand I can't look into it without the IP address affected.


Thequin has given a fair reasoning there.
@garry, if you want to contact your isp to ask them to give you a new IP address then that might help you and mean you don’t have to hand it over to thequin.
Otherwise, you’ll hav pe to give your IP address to thequin to try to remove you from the database.

TheQuin already said he blocks a range of IP's, if and when it is found that it is abusing the system. A new IP from the same ISP will most probably be in the same range or subnet, so this will not help.

I respect the fact that people do not want to dox themselves, by giving out information that might help people to reveal their true identity, but then they will have to be willing to cut their losses. <losing deposited funds and also referral income>  Sad

Suggestion : Send a PM from another account or use the support link on the site that are not linked to information on this forum.


I mean when I did it I got a completely different range, the first number was still the same but depending on the depth of the range, Garry could request one out of it. Ranges are used for locations (supposedly), in my country most towns with a population high enough have their own range of first letter,

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Last edit: October 26, 2018, 09:15:57 PM by broke_tradah
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It really depends on how the IP address database has it defined. ISPs usually have many thousands of ran.....

Stopped reading there.  This just goes to prove that these clowns have no idea what they are doing.  Banning IPs is NOT the right way to go about combating bots.  They only need to look at OTHER casinos to figure out how they are doing it.  Simply remove what the bots are after........ problem solved.  Ax the faucet,  its completely useless anyway.  Until then,  they will perpetually be banning IPs and eventually they will have banned the entire internet.  You CANT beat bots.  Just like you cant beat the house.  The more you try to beat the bots,  the worse you're going to lose the battle in the end.  The ONLY way to beat a bot is to remove whatever the bot is after.  Thats the solution.  There is no other solution.  Banning isnt going to solve anything.  Bots are not limited to geographical (nor or they bound by IP ranges) locations but it appears this clown doesnt understand that fact.  Banning an ENTIRE range,  Class C or otherwise is completely LUDICROUS because all thats going to accomplish is the bot moving to a new range.  The bots are NOT going to run out of ranges.  Duuuuuuuuuuuuh.

You may not be able to beat the house,  but the house cant beat the bots.  The house isnt invincible.  Eventually the bots will win in the end and Freebitcrap will have to drop it's faucet.  Once it does so,  there will no longer be a need to ban ips.

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October 26, 2018, 11:33:55 PM
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It really depends on how the IP address database has it defined. ISPs usually have many thousands of ran.....

Stopped reading there.  This just goes to prove that these clowns have no idea what they are doing.  Banning IPs is NOT the right way to go about combating bots.  They only need to look at OTHER casinos to figure out how they are doing it.  Simply remove what the bots are after........ problem solved.  Ax the faucet,  its completely useless anyway.  Until then,  they will perpetually be banning IPs and eventually they will have banned the entire internet.  You CANT beat bots.  Just like you cant beat the house.  The more you try to beat the bots,  the worse you're going to lose the battle in the end.  The ONLY way to beat a bot is to remove whatever the bot is after.  Thats the solution.  There is no other solution.  Banning isnt going to solve anything.  Bots are not limited to geographical (nor or they bound by IP ranges) locations but it appears this clown doesnt understand that fact.  Banning an ENTIRE range,  Class C or otherwise is completely LUDICROUS because all thats going to accomplish is the bot moving to a new range.  The bots are NOT going to run out of ranges.  Duuuuuuuuuuuuh.

You may not be able to beat the house,  but the house cant beat the bots.  The house isnt invincible.  Eventually the bots will win in the end and Freebitcrap will have to drop it's faucet.  Once it does so,  there will no longer be a need to ban ips.
So you do suggest to remove their Faucet? That's an impossible thing to be done since Faucet is one of the assets of this gambling site why it became too popular.They do really need get to rid of bots but doesn't mean they will remove faucet. You do love Bots,arent you?



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October 27, 2018, 09:03:03 AM
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I respect the fact that people do not want to dox themselves, by giving out information that might help people to reveal their true identity, but then they will have to be willing to cut their losses. <losing deposited funds and also referral income>  Sad

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I tried to help people around me but also tried to recover my income from referrals
I just want TheQuin to be careful in removing botnets so that the original user is not affected.
isn't it ridiculous if freebitco.in blacklisted ISPs with very many customers.
but I am just like an astronaut who has a point where I will not be able to return

thank you for your suggestion, but what is the difference between my account and the new account that I might make

I tried to see traffic to freebitco.in through a site like this:

https://www.similarweb.com/website/freebitco.in

we can see that the traffic has fallen by more than 50% in 2 months.
I dare not say that it was caused by a massive blocking carried out by TheQuin because it could also be caused by people's interest in bitcoin has declined.

Free rolls have also declined by 50% but wagering volume has remained the same.

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I'm surprised you look proud of the 50% decline in traffic and free rolls of games even though the wager volume remains the same
I think free roll is the beginning for someone to recognize your site and various features in it
and the wager volume is likely to come from people who already feel the pleasure of free rolls so they decide to make a deposit and no longer interested in free rolls

as you said before that if they gamble continuously then they will lose by house edge
so sooner or later I think they will stop because they run out of money or get bored because they are losing.

I think you will always need new customers so that your business continues to grow and grow
but it is precisely now that you close many roads to your site that might generate potential new customers

in my opinion, a decrease in traffic and free rolls of more than 50% is an early indication of the decline in the performance of freebitco.in
I think this is due to the many interesting features that are only for customers who make deposits and bet
and this is compounded by massive blocking of IP addresses
You try to limit the space for botnets, but this also limits the original user space on the same portion
because basically botnets and the original user you will not be able to differentiate even though you sort them manually because the requirements that you request are only email and bitcoin addresses
if you sort it manually and accidentally block or even delete an account that turns out to be a genuine user then this will erode the trust that people have given to your site for about 5 years

but all this is just my opinion
if you feel everything you do is right and feels everything that is happening is on the right track then you can just ignore it.

I mean when I did it I got a completely different range, the first number was still the same but depending on the depth of the range, Garry could request one out of it. Ranges are used for locations (supposedly), in my country most towns with a population high enough have their own range of first letter,

@ Jack

right jack, the first number is used by several cities in my country
I could have told TheQuin about one of the ISP's IP addresses but that would only reveal my location rather than recover my income from referrals as my main goal of reporting this
because I think my referrals are people who understand english
maybe they come from various countries, so reporting 1 country won't help me
I just think that if this happens in my country, then most likely this also happens in other countries

I want TheQuin to improve the way to get rid of botnets if what I report makes sense
because if it's like this, they are like farmers who eradicate pests using fire, so the plants will also burn.
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October 27, 2018, 09:59:42 AM
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isn't it ridiculous if freebitco.in blacklisted ISPs with very many customers.

It would be. That's why we don't do it.


I'm surprised you look proud of the 50% decline in traffic and free rolls of games even though the wager volume remains the same

It is an indication that the selective action we have taken has been effectively targetted on abusive accounts and very few legitimate users have been affected. Compared to the support requests I had earlier this year when wetsuit tried a different method I have had hardly any requests from real users this time, just a few botters trying it on.

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October 27, 2018, 01:04:54 PM
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isn't it ridiculous if freebitco.in blacklisted ISPs with very many customers.
It would be. That's why we don't do it.

this is an explanation of the ISP blocking I mean in my previous post :


maybe you have made automatic blocking on some IPs that you suspect are used by botnets

but unfortunately some of these IPs are the Dynamic IPs owned by the largest operator in our country.

so that anyone who uses that IPs will be automatically blocked.

I think this will block the way for that ISP customers to your site

so this is the same as blocking the ISP, because sooner or later the users will use the IP address that is included in your blacklist because the IP they use will continue to change as the Dynamic IP works.

and for botnets who may have used the ISP only need to move to another ISP.

so I think the effect will be worse for genuine users than for botnets.


It is an indication that the selective action we have taken has been effectively targetted on abusive accounts and very few legitimate users have been affected. Compared to the support requests I had earlier this year when wetsuit tried a different method I have had hardly any requests from real users this time, just a few botters trying it on.

why don't you try to think in a user's perspective
Did you know, when you delete a user's account then he won't be able to log in and because of that he can't complain through his account.

not everyone out there understands how all this works and not all of the freebitco.in users know about this bitcointalk forum
even myself, I know freebitco.in first than this forum
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October 27, 2018, 01:43:57 PM
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why don't you try to think in a user's perspective

I do. I was a customer since the start of this site and only an employee for a few months.

Did you know, when you delete a user's account then he won't be able to log in and because of that he can't complain through his account.

Yes. And I also know that anybody can email [email protected]

not everyone out there understands how all this works and not all of the freebitco.in users know about this bitcointalk forum
even myself, I know freebitco.in first than this forum

You are missing the central point I made. Back in around March wetsuit put some anti-bot measures in place that resulted in this forum being deluged with complaints. I answered a lot of those and wetsuit asked me if I wanted to do forum support as a result of that. From talking to him and suggesting a few things he's implemented a new anti-bot system that has reduced free rolls by 50% and not resulted in any significant number of complaints. I also do the email support now and there very few there as well.

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October 27, 2018, 07:55:44 PM
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why don't you try to think in a user's perspective

I do. I was a customer since the start of this site and only an employee for a few months.

Did you know, when you delete a user's account then he won't be able to log in and because of that he can't complain through his account.

Yes. And I also know that anybody can email [email protected]

not everyone out there understands how all this works and not all of the freebitco.in users know about this bitcointalk forum
even myself, I know freebitco.in first than this forum

You are missing the central point I made. Back in around March wetsuit put some anti-bot measures in place that resulted in this forum being deluged with complaints. I answered a lot of those and wetsuit asked me if I wanted to do forum support as a result of that. From talking to him and suggesting a few things he's implemented a new anti-bot system that has reduced free rolls by 50% and not resulted in any significant number of complaints. I also do the email support now and there very few there as well.

ha ha ha, are you still fighting bots?  here something being discussed in addition to combat bots? not be interesting for you to read
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October 28, 2018, 01:51:48 AM
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ha ha ha, are you still fighting bots?  here something being discussed in addition to combat bots? not be interesting for you to read

Welcome back. I'm sorry to have to inform you that since you have been gone you have been replaced. We now have another imbecilic troll that beats you hands down at posting utter crap.

Nothing additional was being discussed. @Gary.Wilson_Jr. was incorrectly saying that we had blocked ISPs and genuine users with dynamic IPs were being affected. This is wrong in that we don't block ISPs and the IP ranges we do block are used for proxy and VPN services and are not the ranges that ISPs use for domestic customers. We are also not receiving complaints from real customers so I know that the blocking is correctly targetted. If anyone does have any additional suggestions I'm always willing to hear them and if we can implement something successful from them we always pay bounties.

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Yes. And I also know that anybody can email [email protected]

Yes, you know anybody can send an email there but not many "anybody" know about that email address because you don't display it on the site.

You are missing the central point I made. Back in around March wetsuit put some anti-bot measures in place that resulted in this forum being deluged with complaints. I answered a lot of those and wetsuit asked me if I wanted to do forum support as a result of that. From talking to him and suggesting a few things he's implemented a new anti-bot system that has reduced free rolls by 50% and not resulted in any significant number of complaints. I also do the email support now and there very few there as well.

no, I didn't miss anything
it is a slightly different subject, therefore I separate it from the previous subject
there I tried to say that maybe people who know freebitco.in from other people's referral links might not know about how to contact you like through this forum.
even myself, I just found out this forum a few months later. i know bitcointalk but i don't know if freebitco.in starts from here.

....... @Gary.Wilson_Jr. was incorrectly saying that we had blocked ISPs............

well, about blocking ISPs, you can say I'm wrong and I apologize for that, but I have revised what I mean by that in my previous post as below:

maybe you have made automatic blocking on some IPs that you suspect are used by botnets

but unfortunately some of these IPs are the Dynamic IPs owned by the largest operator in our country.

so that anyone who uses that IPs will be automatically blocked.

I think this will block the way for that ISP customers to your site

so this is the same as blocking the ISP, because sooner or later the users will use the IP address that is included in your blacklist because the IP they use will continue to change as the Dynamic IP works.

and for botnets who may have used the ISP only need to move to another ISP.

so I think the effect will be worse for genuine users than for botnets.

........and genuine users with dynamic IPs were being affected. This is wrong in that we don't block ISPs and the IP ranges we do block are used for proxy and VPN services and are not the ranges that ISPs use for domestic customers.......

for this I am very sure if you are wrong, because I have proven it a few days ago as I explained in my previous post.
but it's just a report, I can't prove it further like sending the IP addresses I mean.
the reason I explained in my previous post and I also apologize for that.

if you feel annoyed with my report, just say it and I will stop continuing this topic.
I just hope you use my report as a consideration
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October 28, 2018, 07:03:13 AM
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Yes. And I also know that anybody can email [email protected]

Yes, you know anybody can send an email there but not many "anybody" know about that email address because you don't display it on the site.

Plenty of people do email it, I get hundreds every day.

well, about blocking ISPs, you can say I'm wrong and I apologize for that, but I have revised what I mean by that in my previous post as below:

I'm trying to say that the bit in red is wrong. ISPs split up their networks and a domestic user with a dynamic address isn't going to be allocated an address from a pool being used by a datacentre that is hosting proxy servers.


for this I am very sure if you are wrong, because I have proven it a few days ago as I explained in my previous post.
but it's just a report, I can't prove it further like sending the IP addresses I mean.
the reason I explained in my previous post and I also apologize for that.

As I explained at the start IP address databases are not 100% accurate. I'm also human and may have made an error in blocking a network I shouldn't have. What I do know is that from the number of support requests we are receiving this method has had far less (almost none) impact on genuine users than things that we have done previously. It also has significantly reduced abuse.

if you feel annoyed with my report, just say it and I will stop continuing this topic.
I just hope you use my report as a consideration

Not at all, I'm always willing to discuss this. It makes a change from some idiot spamming about his shitbot dice script.

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October 28, 2018, 08:14:49 AM
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Actually, I don't know or understand what the problem is. This is a faucet site and casino. I do remember my IP being restricted a long time ago, in fact my IP gets me in trouble quite a lot, but I deposited and took the problems away. Withdrawals honored no problem.

Same as at other casinos, my IP have been blocked or banned. But after contacting, I get it unblocked normally. Only ONE casino here insisted that I was trying to cheat them, but they still let me withdraw all my money and I never played there again. A bit of a hassle but can't help my IP, because it is a computer that doesn't belong to me.

What I'm saying here is. If your issue is real, admins here and most crypto casinos pay attention and allow it.

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October 28, 2018, 02:02:49 PM
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Yes. And I also know that anybody can email [email protected]

Yes, you know anybody can send an email there but not many "anybody" know about that email address because you don't display it on the site.
Plenty of people do email it, I get hundreds every day.
why don't you display the support email address on the site, so that everyone who gets into trouble can complain
that way you will get the actual number of complaints

I'm trying to say that the bit in red is wrong. ISPs split up their networks and a domestic user with a dynamic address isn't going to be allocated an address from a pool being used by a datacentre that is hosting proxy servers.
yes, but it's not the opposite of the bit in red, so it doesn't make it wrong
because you could block the range in a larger pool, which is a pool used by operators to serve domestic customers.

As I explained at the start IP address databases are not 100% accurate. I'm also human and may have made an error in blocking a network I shouldn't have. What I do know is that from the number of support requests we are receiving this method has had far less (almost none) impact on genuine users than things that we have done previously. It also has significantly reduced abuse.
then applying my first point in this post is a good thing
and preferably, display the support email on all pages including the login / sign up page because once you delete a user account, he will be directed to the login / sign up page

Actually, I don't know or understand what the problem is.....................

.............................If your issue is real, admins here and most crypto casinos pay attention and allow it.
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October 29, 2018, 12:17:53 AM
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why don't you display the support email address on the site, so that everyone who gets into trouble can complain
that way you will get the actual number of complaints

The majority of people who are locked out of their account and can't work out what the support email just makes a new account to contact us about the old one. I really don't think it is necessary and you are still ignoring my point that the number of complaints this time is COMPARITIVELY minute to when other measures have been put in.
Also the auto-blocking does not delete accounts. That is only done manually when I find a case of multi-accounting abuse that I'm 100% certain about.


yes, but it's not the opposite of the bit in red, so it doesn't make it wrong
because you could block the range in a larger pool, which is a pool used by operators to serve domestic customers.

The pools of addresses are not mixed usage. I'm blocking ranges allocated to datacentres, VPN, and proxy services that I actually find abuse on. Domestic customers cannot be allocated addresses from those pools. The only possibility for that to happen is an inaccuracy in the database and I only rectify that if a genuine customer user comes forward and tells me what the IP address is.

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https://imgur.com/a/v3NP5Fi

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Why I can't use my RP?

Also i can't claim at freedoge

Number keep rolling and wont stop

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October 29, 2018, 03:02:45 AM
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Why I can't use my RP?

You have to meet minimum wagering and balance requirements.

Also i can't claim at freedoge

Sorry, my psychic powers aren't up to divining that information.

Number keep rolling and wont stop

That is a network connection issue. When you roll a request is sent to the server and the animation starts. It only stops when/if it receives the response.

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October 29, 2018, 03:23:36 AM
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Why I can't use my RP?

You have to meet minimum wagering and balance requirements.

How do I know those minimum requirement?
https://imgur.com/a/ko82PeZ

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October 29, 2018, 03:28:39 AM
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How do I know those minimum requirement?

From that screenshot, it looks like there is something else here. PM me your user ID and/or email and I'll take a look.

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