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Title: A world without borders?
Post by: Sujoris on December 17, 2018, 01:25:55 AM
Let's think for a second.
Would such a world benefit mankind? Would it destabilize the current geo-economics? Is there even a remote possibility that we as humans let go of this ancient tradition of drawing lines on sand that have only served to create problems among masses and has done NOTHING good so far?


Title: Re: A world without borders?
Post by: KingScorpio on December 17, 2018, 05:53:37 AM
Let's think for a second.
Would such a world benefit mankind? Would it destabilize the current geo-economics? Is there even a remote possibility that we as humans let go of this ancient tradition of drawing lines on sand that have only served to create problems among masses and has done NOTHING good so far?

it would work but not with the current communal oriented social security systems, as those would cause opportunistic migrations,

planetary civilisations would of course, work,

european union also destroyed its internal borders, and it still works, so why not all others,

main problem is that populations seem to act hostile against each other.


Title: Re: A world without borders?
Post by: coins4commies on December 17, 2018, 05:55:39 AM
Our entire economic system depends on the externalization of costs and since Earth is essentially a closed system, without the human construct of borders, there would be no "external" place to hide the costs.  Without the ability to externalize the costs, our economic system would have to realize and "pay for" the true cost of all activities.  This would require a radical shift and would be extremely uncomfortable.  

As long as there are restrictive borders, costs can be paid by people and places that are out of sight and out of mind. We have to keep people in these countries so we build walls, fences and barriers like cages to make sure they don't escape.  If they emptied out, there would be no one left to pay our externalized costs.

What types of costs are we talking about? All of them.

Labor costs- Without borders, there would be no place to hold people to cheap labor.  In that situation, the full cost of labor would have to be paid globally.  Even if you kept most borders but eliminated borders within the global south, it would be problematic.  In the current system, companies can force workers in thailand to eat the costs under the threat of moving elsewhere.  If Thailand doesn't like it, they can simply move to Vietnam.  Without borders between these countries, there would be nowhere to run and the companies would have to pay the true cost of labor.  

Environmental costs Where would we send our trash and pollution if there were no borders?  It is not a coincidence that the countries who benefit from pollution are not the countries who suffer the consequences of it.  We are consuming the environment without having to assume the costs of that consumption.  

Cost of natural resources There must be countries where we can keep education low, wages low, so that people do not know the true value of their resources.   If people knew the true value of their resources, we would have to assume the full costs of these resources.  This is why colonial powers drew up post colonial borders on their own terms.  


Title: Re: A world without borders?
Post by: virendarnagpal on December 17, 2018, 07:34:10 AM
Borders are not limited to human being.  We see borders actually prevailing in other living beings.  A dog of one street if goes to the other street by mistake or otherwise, all the dogs of that street will unitedly attack and force that dog to run back to it's own area.

I have several times watching Discovery or Animal planets Television shows.  I saw lions leaving the marks / smell of their body hair or urine on the borders.  Whenever some lion from other area reaches their the urine smell gives the other lion the warning that some other lion is there which will attack if it enters that area.  And now it depends upon it's courage and power whether it decides to enter that danger zone or pulls back.

Due to several reasons human beings also drew their border lines.  They protected their borders from the different tribes / countries which otherwise may attack them.  The attackers if win will make them slaves and force them to do hard labour for the winners.  Even the women of that area may be forced for sexual relations.  Wealth will be looted.  So only the solution to this problems was to create borders and protect these borders with full force.

Now though the time has changed; but if the borders are withdrawn / opened we will see major migration among nations.  The people from poor less developed countries will immediately try to occupy lands in developed countries.  This may affect developed nations in worst way.

The border free zones are possible in the same standard countries having almost same population wealth education etc.  Like in European where borders are open for few member countries. 

Also it is not possible until the humanity rises above the communal thoughts.  There is much hate among different communities having faith in different religions.  So man first must rise above such communal thinking only then it will be possible for border less world.


Title: Re: A world without borders?
Post by: SCheek on December 17, 2018, 12:31:42 PM
This idea would only exacerbate tensions in communities and destroy cultures whilst destroying lower class wages and increases upper class profits. I want growth but everyone needs to benefit.


Title: Re: A world without borders?
Post by: TECSHARE on December 17, 2018, 02:19:26 PM
This idea would only exacerbate tensions in communities and destroy cultures whilst destroying lower class wages and increases upper class profits. I want growth but everyone needs to benefit.

These fuckin' loons think we can just swing the doors open and hand out teddy bears and everything will be fine.


Title: Re: A world without borders?
Post by: BADecker on December 17, 2018, 02:57:55 PM
All things are based on private property.

Even in socialistic, communistic, dictatorship countries, all is partially private property. How? If you don't own your land, you at least own your clothing. If you don't own your clothing, you at least own your body. If you don't own your body, you at least own some of your thinking. If you don't own your thinking, you own your soul.

Open-borders always has its limitations. You don't want other people trampling on and stealing your property... even if you want to trample or steal on the property of others. Other people feel the same about you (if they think about it).

Thinking about this in this way, turns the limited-borders idea into a question of what the limits are and should be. It also starts to reveal that there isn't supposed to be any slavery except when it is volunteered slavery.

In the country of Western Sahara - and in several countries in Africa - there is slavery so intense that it is often greater than brainwashing could produce. The slaves feel and think that being slaves is the proper way of life. And their masters feel the same way. It has been inbred in all of them for many generations. But if you search the Net, you find that even this form of no-borders is breaking down after many generations.

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Title: Re: A world without borders?
Post by: coins4commies on December 17, 2018, 05:35:33 PM

Now though the time has changed; but if the borders are withdrawn / opened we will see major migration among nations.  The people from poor less developed countries will immediately try to occupy lands in developed countries.  This may affect developed nations in worst way.

The border free zones are possible in the same standard countries having almost same population wealth education etc.  Like in European where borders are open for few member countries.  

Also it is not possible until the humanity rises above the communal thoughts.  There is much hate among different communities having faith in different religions.  So man first must rise above such communal thinking only then it will be possible for border less world.
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So Poland and Hungary have the same standard of wealth and education as Switzerland and Norway?

Have all Polish and Hungarian people left and fled to those countries?


You have to experience different cultures before you can get rid of the ignorance towards them.  Anyone who has traveled the world will tell you this.  All groups of people are basically the same.  It is only environmental conditions that are different. It is only people who remain in homogenous populations who fear different people, want to put up walls and isolate themselves from the world.   Traveled people recognize the value in all cultures.  


Title: Re: A world without borders?
Post by: Spendulus on December 17, 2018, 10:00:44 PM
....

Now though the time has changed; but if the borders are withdrawn / opened we will see major migration among nations.  The people from poor less developed countries will immediately try to occupy lands in developed countries.  This may affect developed nations in worst way....

I think there would be a good chance the developed countries would then slump backwards, and the entire world would suffer and become third world.

Or the developed countries targeted for these invasions would suffer tremendously. Almost as if it was a plan pushed by their enemies...


Title: Re: A world without borders?
Post by: Sujoris on December 18, 2018, 07:07:41 PM
....

Now though the time has changed; but if the borders are withdrawn / opened we will see major migration among nations.  The people from poor less developed countries will immediately try to occupy lands in developed countries.  This may affect developed nations in worst way....

I think there would be a good chance the developed countries would then slump backwards, and the entire world would suffer and become third world.

Or the developed countries targeted for these invasions would suffer tremendously. Almost as if it was a plan pushed by their enemies...

But it could also be the opposite thing. What if all the world was free and then people would simply not need to move to a developed nation when every nation is the same nation? All regions would grow simultaneously and the law of capitalism would prevail as the big companies would start cashing in on the poorer parts of the world as they won't have to worry about double taxation and a slew of other things which prevents them from investing or developing infrastructure right now.


These fuckin' loons think we can just swing the doors open and hand out teddy bears and everything will be fine.

Not a fuckin loon. And why can't we?


Title: Re: A world without borders?
Post by: TECSHARE on December 18, 2018, 09:27:58 PM
Not a fuckin loon. And why can't we?

Sorry, heavily indoctrinated naive person. Is that better? Because no borders means nations will cease to exist. You can't have no borders in a country any more than you can have no borders in a pool. Without the borders all you have is a patch of wet dirt.


Title: Re: A world without borders?
Post by: jjjfff on December 18, 2018, 10:48:04 PM
A friend of mine wanted a world without borders. Then he got into a fight with his neighbor and built a fucking wood barrier.

I told him you couldn't even avoid a wall with your neighbor, how the heck were you gona make the world without borders?


Title: Re: A world without borders?
Post by: KingScorpio on December 18, 2018, 11:15:29 PM
A friend of mine wanted a world without borders. Then he got into a fight with his neighbor and built a fucking wood barrier.

I told him you couldn't even avoid a wall with your neighbor, how the heck were you gona make the world without borders?

lol,

jes live is mostly just spiritual,

in a world without borders, there will be security systems of private individuals or organisations keeping up the divisions,

take cryptomarket as an example it claims to be open but in truth it has borders of corruption and bribery needed to penetrate it.


Title: Re: A world without borders?
Post by: Spendulus on December 19, 2018, 02:37:03 AM
A friend of mine wanted a world without borders. Then he got into a fight with his neighbor and built a fucking wood barrier.

I told him you couldn't even avoid a wall with your neighbor, how the heck were you gona make the world without borders?

There is not even an Internet without borders; much censorship in the Middle East, Russia, China.


Title: Re: A world without borders?
Post by: mikeywith on December 19, 2018, 03:44:47 AM
Let's think for a second.
Would such a world benefit mankind? Would it destabilize the current geo-economics? Is there even a remote possibility that we as humans let go of this ancient tradition of drawing lines on sand that have only served to create problems among masses and has done NOTHING good so far?

will you allow other people to sleep/eat/live in your own house ? i think not.

you see the human nature is designed or could be "programmed" to live within borders, they start small at your own bedroom that is surrounded with borders , then goes to your house as a whole building, then a yard if you have one , a street , a city/state then a country.

how can we convince the rich countries to share their resources with the poor countries when we can't convince our own kids to share the same room?

it is a beautiful dream that i would love to see ,  but sorry to tell you , this is never going to happen on any large scale  :(


Title: Re: A world without borders?
Post by: KingScorpio on December 19, 2018, 03:47:50 AM
Let's think for a second.
Would such a world benefit mankind? Would it destabilize the current geo-economics? Is there even a remote possibility that we as humans let go of this ancient tradition of drawing lines on sand that have only served to create problems among masses and has done NOTHING good so far?

will you allow other people to sleep/eat/live in your own house ? i think not.

you see the human nature is designed or could be "programmed" to live within borders, they start small at your own bedroom that is surrounded with borders , then goes to your house as a whole building, then a yard if you have one , a street , a city/state then a country.

how can we convince the rich countries to share their resources with the poor countries when we can't convince our own kids to share the same room?

it is a beautiful dream that i would love to see ,  but sorry to tell you , this is never going to happen on any large scale  :(

it could happen but only with a global communist police state, borders are then not between countries but between individuals and their access to consumption capacities. and socioeconomic structures.


Title: Re: A world without borders?
Post by: Sujoris on December 19, 2018, 04:40:10 AM
it could happen but only with a global communist police state, borders are then not between countries but between individuals and their access to consumption capacities. and socioeconomic structures.

The idea of an open border is to remove those very limitations and consumption caps. Why should you deserve more food and a better lifestyle just because you happen to be born at a certain geographical location? What makes you the better human?

Here I say you I mean everyone who is from a wealthy first world nation.

Even the term first world is derogatory, seeming like you belong to an alien planet and not earth. Makes no sense.


Title: Re: A world without borders?
Post by: Sujoris on December 19, 2018, 04:42:02 AM
Let's think for a second.
Would such a world benefit mankind? Would it destabilize the current geo-economics? Is there even a remote possibility that we as humans let go of this ancient tradition of drawing lines on sand that have only served to create problems among masses and has done NOTHING good so far?

will you allow other people to sleep/eat/live in your own house ? i think not.

you see the human nature is designed or could be "programmed" to live within borders, they start small at your own bedroom that is surrounded with borders , then goes to your house as a whole building, then a yard if you have one , a street , a city/state then a country.

how can we convince the rich countries to share their resources with the poor countries when we can't convince our own kids to share the same room?

it is a beautiful dream that i would love to see ,  but sorry to tell you , this is never going to happen on any large scale  :(

You are mixing privacy with nationality. You take pride on the borders drawn by others, accomplishments achieved by others and take credit for it. That is the biggest reason nationalism sucks.

But privacy is individual. Your doors do not equate to the border of your country.


Title: Re: A world without borders?
Post by: KingScorpio on December 19, 2018, 04:43:14 AM
it could happen but only with a global communist police state, borders are then not between countries but between individuals and their access to consumption capacities. and socioeconomic structures.

The idea of an open border is to remove those very limitations and consumption caps. Why should you deserve more food and a better lifestyle just because you happen to be born at a certain geographical location? What makes you the better human?

Here I say you I mean everyone who is from a wealthy first world nation.

Even the term first world is derogatory, seeming like you belong to an alien planet and not earth. Makes no sense.

no one prevents the citizens from the poorer locations to enrich themselves through work, why steal from others, that sacrifice themselves in their work?

check soviet russia society, there you will see inequality comes back even if all are equal.

in a global communist state, there will be again capitalists arising out of common consensus and those will be privilegedly threated, even if they are not claim themselves being appointed by gods etc.


Title: Re: A world without borders?
Post by: Sujoris on December 19, 2018, 04:44:40 AM
Not a fuckin loon. And why can't we?

Sorry, heavily indoctrinated naive person. Is that better? Because no borders means nations will cease to exist. You can't have no borders in a country any more than you can have no borders in a pool. Without the borders all you have is a patch of wet dirt.

Insulting only reveals your simplistic barbaric nature.

Let's dismantle nations. Lets unbreak the walls generations of brainwashing has turned humans into no better than mongrel dogs fighting among each other for territory to which they have no individual right on. Why?
Your assumptions about me being fuckin loon or indoctrinated wahteevr does not make sense. Just like how borders don't make sense.


Title: Re: A world without borders?
Post by: Sujoris on December 19, 2018, 04:48:56 AM
no one prevents the citizens from the poorer locations to enrich themselves through work, why steal from others, that sacrifice themselves in their work?

You seem to equate poverty to stealing. Which is as bigoted a statement as any of Trump's statements.

Everyone with a slight bit of grey matter knows that's never the case. If you have everything and every opportunity to prosper in a world without borders, there will be no need for anyone to steal.

However, just like stupid people, eradicating crime is not possible completely. So there should obviously be justice and punishment system.

The topic is eradicating borders and removing inequality.
You talk about Russia, yes they failed in their pure communism times just because they were corrupt and did not allow anyone to check their mistakes. Thats why they dominated their borders.

Take away their borders then you take away the privacy of such large scale corrupt leaders. Simple.


Title: Re: A world without borders?
Post by: TECSHARE on December 19, 2018, 04:51:54 AM
it could happen but only with a global communist police state, borders are then not between countries but between individuals and their access to consumption capacities. and socioeconomic structures.

The idea of an open border is to remove those very limitations and consumption caps. Why should you deserve more food and a better lifestyle just because you happen to be born at a certain geographical location? What makes you the better human?

Here I say you I mean everyone who is from a wealthy first world nation.

Even the term first world is derogatory, seeming like you belong to an alien planet and not earth. Makes no sense.

You know what makes even less sense? Letting everyone into these places of better quality of life there by bringing it all down to the level of the 3rd world. What you are advocating is literally holding others down to make them more equal to others who have less. Furthermore it is idiotic and won't work, because the very people you claim have no right to a better life style make that society function. You think they are gonna stick around? Fuck no, they will go to a nation that protects their investments of time, skills, education, and resources. Also this is why nations are important, because if one starts going down this self destructive path, you can always vote with your feet if you have something of value to offer society.


Let's think for a second.
Would such a world benefit mankind? Would it destabilize the current geo-economics? Is there even a remote possibility that we as humans let go of this ancient tradition of drawing lines on sand that have only served to create problems among masses and has done NOTHING good so far?

will you allow other people to sleep/eat/live in your own house ? i think not.

you see the human nature is designed or could be "programmed" to live within borders, they start small at your own bedroom that is surrounded with borders , then goes to your house as a whole building, then a yard if you have one , a street , a city/state then a country.

how can we convince the rich countries to share their resources with the poor countries when we can't convince our own kids to share the same room?

it is a beautiful dream that i would love to see ,  but sorry to tell you , this is never going to happen on any large scale  :(

You are mixing privacy with nationality. You take pride on the borders drawn by others, accomplishments achieved by others and take credit for it. That is the biggest reason nationalism sucks.

But privacy is individual. Your doors do not equate to the border of your country.

This isn't just about pride. Pride is just a symbol. This is nothing but a gross oversimplification in a vain attempt to mischaracterize your opponent and attempt to make associations with racial supremacy groups.

This is about security, a means of earning a living, functional social services, and manageable taxes among other things. None of these things are possible with open borders and a welfare state. The two things can not coexist for any significant period of time, furthermore I argue an attempt to implement it is DESIGNED TO FAIL so that in the aftermath predatory actors can take advantage of the state of chaos and need.


Title: Re: A world without borders?
Post by: coins4commies on December 19, 2018, 06:13:56 AM


You know what makes even less sense? Letting everyone into these places of better quality of life there by bringing it all down to the level of the 3rd world. What you are advocating is literally holding others down to make them more equal to others who have less. Furthermore it is idiotic and won't work, because the very people you claim have no right to a better life style make that society function.

This is actually getting to the crux of the issue and is very accurate.  The reality is that much of our privileged quality of life requires keeping poor people poor.  If we don't force poor people to stay in poor places, who will dedicate their labor value to our luxurious lifestyle?  How would we externalize the true cost of our lifestyle?  We wouldn't be able to without borders.  We'd have to pay more towards the full price for the labor required to maintain our lifestyle.  If we couldn't steal anymore, our quality of life would obviously have to come down.

An Iphone would cost 2000 if made with western labor costs.  The true cost of an iphone is much more than that.  We currently pay 600 because poor people subsidize it with their labor value.  

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you can always vote with your feet if you have something of value to offer society.
thats open borders


Title: Re: A world without borders?
Post by: KingScorpio on December 19, 2018, 06:34:09 AM
ever heard of independence wars? why should a population that considers itself more industrious than other parts of the world, be enslaved by those in poverty?

world without borders is actually a communist dictatorship.


Title: Re: A world without borders?
Post by: TECSHARE on December 19, 2018, 08:46:25 AM


You know what makes even less sense? Letting everyone into these places of better quality of life there by bringing it all down to the level of the 3rd world. What you are advocating is literally holding others down to make them more equal to others who have less. Furthermore it is idiotic and won't work, because the very people you claim have no right to a better life style make that society function.

This is actually getting to the crux of the issue and is very accurate.  The reality is that much of our privileged quality of life requires keeping poor people poor.  If we don't force poor people to stay in poor places, who will dedicate their labor value to our luxurious lifestyle?  How would we externalize the true cost of our lifestyle?  We wouldn't be able to without borders.  We'd have to pay more towards the full price for the labor required to maintain our lifestyle.  If we couldn't steal anymore, our quality of life would obviously have to come down.

An Iphone would cost 2000 if made with western labor costs.  The true cost of an iphone is much more than that.  We currently pay 600 because poor people subsidize it with their labor value.  

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you can always vote with your feet if you have something of value to offer society.
thats open borders


BULLSHIT You just suffer the delusion that bringing everyone to an equal level of poverty to bring "equality" is some how desirable. The 3rd world isn't held down by anything but their own lack of development in their own nations. The best and brightest of these nations leaving for the industrialized world instead of fixing their homeland is the primary culprit. It is a self feeding cycle. No one is holding them down, it is just easier to come here and succeed because we maintain the conditions necessary to do so instead of capitulating to delusional children such as yourself, just like the people who run the Socialist nations these people are fleeing from. Being able to immigrate if you have valuable skills is not open borders, that is exactly the system we operate under currently in the US. People with desirable occupational skills get preferential access.


Title: Re: A world without borders?
Post by: BADecker on December 19, 2018, 11:20:16 AM
Open borders do two things. They get rid of racism (on the outside). And they attempt to unite people into one melting pot so that the one-worlders can take them over easier.

Consider. People only migrate because they feel they have a chance to improve their conditions. It's a big job to migrate. So things must be pretty bad where they are coming from, or there is promise of much better where they are moving to.

Consider. Do you like your neighbors? Somewhat, perhaps. Some might even be good friends. But some are like the Hatfields and McCoys... like Rand Paul's neighbor who jumped him and broke his ribs which put him in the hospital. Is that what you want in open borders? Because that is what you might get. You never know.

Open borders only works when ALL the people are taught to "lover your neighbor as yourself" and to "do the good unto others that you would have them do to you." If some of them or you don't follow these rules, there will be trouble.

Consider some tribal Africans moving in next to you. Their customs and religion might tell them to get up at midnight and beat the drums loudly. And what about some SE Asians who love to eat dogs and cats, roasting them on a spit, over a front yard fire? Would you want to give one of your daughters in marriage to one of their sons? Would you want to take one of them to be your wife?

Regarding the USA, and in the other common law countries, if a foreigner learns the language and customs very well, and knows the basics of common law and the court system, he can easily move in, without border checks, and beat the challenge in the courts if it comes to that.

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Title: Re: A world without borders?
Post by: Jet Cash on December 19, 2018, 12:02:45 PM
Open borders do two things. They get rid of racism (on the outside). And they attempt to unite people into one melting pot so that the one-worlders can take them over easier.


This is typical muddled thinking that comes from education by the snowflake teachers created by the globalists. If you can't eradicate family feuds, or ethnic conflicts within a country, why would removing borders help?

The only area where removing borders seems to help a community is in the world of the elite bankers and super rich. They create social and wealth borders though, and they disregard geographic or cultural borders and differences. The sub-cultures are just an annoyance, and that is why they are well under way with their eugenics projects. Removing borders would be a great help to them as the members of the sub-strata of society attempt to kill each other.


Title: Re: A world without borders?
Post by: BADecker on December 19, 2018, 12:13:46 PM
Open borders do two things. They get rid of racism (on the outside). And they attempt to unite people into one melting pot so that the one-worlders can take them over easier.


This is typical muddled thinking that comes from education by the snowflake teachers created by the globalists. If you can't eradicate family feuds, or ethnic conflicts within a country, why would removing borders help?

The only area where removing borders seems to help a community is in the world of the elite bankers and super rich. They create social and wealth borders though, and they disregard geographic or cultural borders and differences. The sub-cultures are just an annoyance, and that is why they are well under way with their eugenics projects. Removing borders would be a great help to them as the members of the sub-strata of society attempt to kill each other.

Border control is government control over the people. Why? Because it removes free passage of citizens to get out if they want.

The only thing that counts is if people are injured by other people. Limited free entry into another country is beneficial if the migrant fits in among the people. Mass migration should be controlled by government so people are not hurt. Let the locals decide about limited migration into their area.

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Title: Re: A world without borders?
Post by: Spendulus on December 21, 2018, 02:08:54 AM
....an attempt to implement it is DESIGNED TO FAIL so that in the aftermath predatory actors can take advantage of the state of chaos and need.

Namely, when the states grow weaker, the UN grows that much more stronger, on and on...


Title: Re: A world without borders?
Post by: KAR9821 on December 21, 2018, 12:12:26 PM
This would be nice if the world has a single currency


Title: Re: A world without borders?
Post by: Spendulus on December 21, 2018, 12:39:24 PM
This would be nice if the world has a single currency

No, it wouldn't. You'd have the UN skimming off the top, printing more money and such and handing it out to those on the corrupt inner circle.


Title: Re: A world without borders?
Post by: ngano ba on December 22, 2018, 12:57:18 AM
At present time when worlds are already been divided by different areas in which country has area of responsibility, so world wothout borders really is good enough because it will show unity but there are really people who are greedy to powers and will try to rule everone so that is why every country will have borders ,to have each own government.


Title: Re: A world without borders?
Post by: Spendulus on December 22, 2018, 01:36:33 AM
At present time when worlds are already been divided by different areas in which country has area of responsibility, so world wothout borders really is good enough because it will show unity but there are really people who are greedy to powers and will try to rule everone so that is why every country will have borders ,to have each own government.



If I was a Muslim strategist seeking a medium term tactic for world dominion, I would certainly advocate "open borders," for the WESTERN NATIONS. Then I'd be certain that Saudi and other key Muslim nations did not have open borders.

How about that. That's exactly what's happening.


Title: Re: A world without borders?
Post by: KingScorpio on December 22, 2018, 02:14:20 AM
At present time when worlds are already been divided by different areas in which country has area of responsibility, so world wothout borders really is good enough because it will show unity but there are really people who are greedy to powers and will try to rule everone so that is why every country will have borders ,to have each own government.



If I was a Muslim strategist seeking a medium term tactic for world dominion, I would certainly advocate "open borders," for the WESTERN NATIONS. Then I'd be certain that Saudi and other key Muslim nations did not have open borders.

How about that. That's exactly what's happening.

it will rebalance itself,

the end of central banks will spark the meaning of family businesses, and russian orthodox church is powering a surplus population growth in russia, so it will change. it was only temprorary during the perfectionistic atheism area in europe/usa after WW2


Title: Re: A world without borders?
Post by: MichaelNwaogbo on December 26, 2018, 10:34:28 PM
A world without borders will be best but first humans need to see themselves as brothers ans sisters and root out any trace of racial superiority and prejudice. just as our doors are always open to our family members.

i trust one day the world will be like this 


Title: Re: A world without borders?
Post by: KingScorpio on December 27, 2018, 01:58:03 AM
A world without borders will be best but first humans need to see themselves as brothers ans sisters and root out any trace of racial superiority and prejudice. just as our doors are always open to our family members.

i trust one day the world will be like this 

there will never be a world without borders, the borders will simply change


Title: Re: A world without borders?
Post by: kakonhat on December 28, 2018, 09:48:12 AM
Let's think for a second.
Would such a world benefit mankind? Would it destabilize the current geo-economics? Is there even a remote possibility that we as humans let go of this ancient tradition of drawing lines on sand that have only served to create problems among masses and has done NOTHING good so far?
Without borders, every country would be in trouble. There will increase crime in a second and without restriction. Yes, we can expect one world one currency like as Bitcoin but no without a border.


Title: Re: A world without borders?
Post by: Spendulus on December 28, 2018, 02:08:40 PM
Let's think for a second.
Would such a world benefit mankind? Would it destabilize the current geo-economics? Is there even a remote possibility that we as humans let go of this ancient tradition of drawing lines on sand that have only served to create problems among masses and has done NOTHING good so far?
Without borders, every country would be in trouble. There will increase crime in a second and without restriction. Yes, we can expect one world one currency like as Bitcoin but no without a border.

Interesting comment but not clearly stated. Here is what I think you are saying.

Nations do not need individual currencies, the people of the world can handle that with crypto and bitcoin. But nations need and have borders.


Title: Re: A world without borders?
Post by: prowe on December 28, 2018, 11:02:51 PM
Just travel back in time, you'll find one...

But don't complain that you are chased by a saber-toothed cat...


Title: Re: A world without borders?
Post by: Spendulus on December 29, 2018, 05:09:08 AM
Just travel back in time, you'll find one...

But don't complain that you are chased by a saber-toothed cat...

I think they might barbecue quite nicely...


Title: Re: A world without borders?
Post by: BestSSS on December 31, 2018, 03:32:19 PM
Let's think for a second.
Would such a world benefit mankind? Would it destabilize the current geo-economics? Is there even a remote possibility that we as humans let go of this ancient tradition of drawing lines on sand that have only served to create problems among masses and has done NOTHING good so far?

All borders States created exclusively faiths and nationalities.
The policy of our globe is too complex to get along with all in one country with the same order. In order to equalize the boundaries drawn on the globe will have to destroy half or even more of the world's population to avoid racial conflicts and conflicts of interest.
And even after that if a country is 100% of all the wealth in the world I'm not sure that any leader will gather a crowd of like-minded people or start a riot. Man is an animal and he always wants power and money so we are arranged.


Title: Re: A world without borders?
Post by: sue1710 on January 01, 2019, 06:01:51 PM
Talking about benefits is referring to benefit relations: General benefits - personal interests, immediate benefits - long-term benefits, material benefits - spiritual benefits.

Conflict of interest has been and will remain a problem of modern society. Therefore, it is necessary to take into account the management of conflict of interests as a way to maintain and promote the dynamic role of interests and benefit relations in society.


Title: Re: A world without borders?
Post by: coins4commies on January 01, 2019, 11:46:50 PM
The world never had borders to begin with.  Its just a construct applied to oppress the poor.  I have been all over the world and no one has ever turned me away at a border.  Crossing a border has never even been something that caused me trouble.  It wasn't designed to be applied to us with privilege.


Title: Re: A world without borders?
Post by: Spendulus on January 02, 2019, 11:48:53 PM
Quote from: coins4commies [s
link=topic=5085852.msg49002112#msg49002112 date=1546386410]
The world never had borders to begin with.  Its just a construct applied to oppress the poor.  I have been all over the world and no one has ever turned me away at a border.  Crossing a border has never even been something that caused me trouble.  It wasn't designed to be applied to us with privilege. [/s]

Borders exist.


Title: Re: A world without borders?
Post by: TECSHARE on January 03, 2019, 08:20:48 AM
The world never had borders to begin with.  Its just a construct applied to oppress the poor.  I have been all over the world and no one has ever turned me away at a border.  Crossing a border has never even been something that caused me trouble.  It wasn't designed to be applied to us with privilege.

I think you are confusing tourism with immigration.


Title: Re: A world without borders?
Post by: BADecker on January 03, 2019, 04:19:00 PM
The world never had borders to begin with.  Its just a construct applied to oppress the poor.  I have been all over the world and no one has ever turned me away at a border.  Crossing a border has never even been something that caused me trouble.  It wasn't designed to be applied to us with privilege.

Every human being has the border of his skin, at least.     8)


Title: Re: A world without borders?
Post by: coins4commies on January 03, 2019, 05:22:54 PM
The world never had borders to begin with.  Its just a construct applied to oppress the poor.  I have been all over the world and no one has ever turned me away at a border.  Crossing a border has never even been something that caused me trouble.  It wasn't designed to be applied to us with privilege.

I think you are confusing tourism with immigration.
I think you are.  You seem to be under the impression that with open borders, anyone who crosses our border into our country will become a citizen.  People simply being here isn't immigration.  We can have open borders and procedural immigration.  It works quite well actually. 

The key difference is that open tourism means that only the wealthy are able to travel freely and the poor cannot even do so.  Half of all undocumented immigrants arrived on legal visas and simply overstayed them.  A border wall would be irrelevant for that.


Title: Re: A world without borders?
Post by: highlandspring on January 03, 2019, 07:49:59 PM
Just because there are free borders doesn't mean everyone wants to move, for example the EU has freedom of movement and while there is large scale immigration that is not the same as mass movements of people.  Mostly people stay in the area they were born / country of birth.


Title: Re: A world without borders?
Post by: Spendulus on January 03, 2019, 11:12:54 PM
Just because there are free borders doesn't mean everyone wants to move, for example the EU has freedom of movement and while there is large scale immigration that is not the same as mass movements of people.  Mostly people stay in the area they were born / country of birth.

I sure don't hear anyone complaining they'd like to see an open border into North Korea, Venezuela or Cuba.

Odd, isn't it? The Communists really just want to dictate the location and direction of the borders they want opened.


Title: Re: A world without borders?
Post by: BADecker on January 04, 2019, 12:36:58 AM
Just because there are free borders doesn't mean everyone wants to move, for example the EU has freedom of movement and while there is large scale immigration that is not the same as mass movements of people.  Mostly people stay in the area they were born / country of birth.

I sure don't hear anyone complaining they'd like to see an open border into North Korea, Venezuela or Cuba.

Odd, isn't it? The Communists really just want to dictate the location and direction of the borders they want opened.

NK and SK just did something like open borders between them. Probably Trump set it up.

8)


Title: Re: A world without borders?
Post by: MoonCrypt on January 04, 2019, 04:03:16 PM
I think the only way to really achieve that first takes religion away from all mankind, were one does not see another based on what they believe in because that alone will always keep differences alife!!

A world without border is difficult when another has been told he his a better creation compared to another and due to that he always expects the other to serve him.

Now, what have the Jews done to some group arising in euro against the Jews?

I guess the internet remains the only way we truly live in a global community


Title: Re: A world without borders?
Post by: BADecker on January 04, 2019, 04:15:13 PM
There are essentially only two ways to really take religion away from mankind:
1. Make it so that people know everything;
2. Make it so that people are unaware that there is something that they don't know.

If people did #1, they wouldn't be people. They would be God.

If people did #2... That's what the far left is trying to do to people. It only makes people weak.

All people want borders. If they didn't, they would only want destruction. Why? Because there are borders in everything in nature all around the world. And, borders exist with every person in society.

A world without borders is foolish thinking in every case.

8)


Title: Re: A world without borders?
Post by: TECSHARE on January 04, 2019, 04:20:25 PM
The world never had borders to begin with.  Its just a construct applied to oppress the poor.  I have been all over the world and no one has ever turned me away at a border.  Crossing a border has never even been something that caused me trouble.  It wasn't designed to be applied to us with privilege.

I think you are confusing tourism with immigration.
I think you are.  You seem to be under the impression that with open borders, anyone who crosses our border into our country will become a citizen.  People simply being here isn't immigration.  We can have open borders and procedural immigration.  It works quite well actually. 

The key difference is that open tourism means that only the wealthy are able to travel freely and the poor cannot even do so.  Half of all undocumented immigrants arrived on legal visas and simply overstayed them.  A border wall would be irrelevant for that.

I don't think so Captain postmodern. People don't need to be citizens to suck up resources, change the culture, commit crimes, and vote illegally. Also tourists have passports and visas if required, and if they overstay they are deported. Just because people abuse that system doesn't justify allowing abuse elsewhere. Also I would ask you to source your claim but I know it doesn't exist.


Title: Re: A world without borders?
Post by: czechkid on January 04, 2019, 04:42:32 PM
This would indeed be a better world
We are all humans afterall !


Title: Re: A world without borders?
Post by: suresh sanjaya on January 04, 2019, 05:16:07 PM
World has only two things.there are live things and unlive things.humans also only one part of the live things.unfortunately  that part attack to tha all of the other parts of the world.i explain it using a example we release few of srilanka elephants and few of african elephants into a small forest.they don't care theirs countries.all of them are elephants so they live together.if we take a srilankan person and african person.sometimes they necklace other one.that is called borders.it is a mind of human.if we can change that mind there will not be wars,economic problems and etc.


Title: Re: A world without borders?
Post by: baobao2000 on January 04, 2019, 06:25:54 PM
I donít think it is possible a world without border now. Let say if all the countries are similar financial status and cultural background, then without a border could be a good idea, but if we open the border now, it will create chaos and it also possible lead to a Cultural retrogression. For example, some counties have high crime rate and low education level, if you open the border it might ruin all the things and it would never be able to recover the damage.


Title: Re: A world without borders?
Post by: guybrushthreepwood on January 04, 2019, 07:38:00 PM
Let's think for a second.
Would such a world benefit mankind? Would it destabilize the current geo-economics? Is there even a remote possibility that we as humans let go of this ancient tradition of drawing lines on sand that have only served to create problems among masses and has done NOTHING good so far?

In an ideal world borders are just imaginary lines but we don't live in an idealistic world. Would you be willing to forgo the borders of your personal property and land? Everyone is free to use it as they please. The locks on your doors would also have to go as not allowing people in will be a crime. They can sleep in your bed and also take whatever they want. Would you prefer that? I doubt it. Sometimes we need these "imaginary" lines for some order otherwise it's anarchy. I'm sure we'd all like to live in a world with no crime and nationalism and racism and everyone gets on just fine but we don't live in that world unfortunately.


Title: Re: A world without borders?
Post by: coins4commies on January 04, 2019, 10:28:19 PM
The world never had borders to begin with.  Its just a construct applied to oppress the poor.  I have been all over the world and no one has ever turned me away at a border.  Crossing a border has never even been something that caused me trouble.  It wasn't designed to be applied to us with privilege.

I think you are confusing tourism with immigration.
I think you are.  You seem to be under the impression that with open borders, anyone who crosses our border into our country will become a citizen.  People simply being here isn't immigration.  We can have open borders and procedural immigration.  It works quite well actually. 

The key difference is that open tourism means that only the wealthy are able to travel freely and the poor cannot even do so.  Half of all undocumented immigrants arrived on legal visas and simply overstayed them.  A border wall would be irrelevant for that.

I don't think so Captain postmodern. People don't need to be citizens to suck up resources, change the culture, commit crimes, and vote illegally. Also tourists have passports and visas if required, and if they overstay they are deported. Just because people abuse that system doesn't justify allowing abuse elsewhere. Also I would ask you to source your claim but I know it doesn't exist.
Do you not soak up any of the resources outside of the USA borders?


Title: Re: A world without borders?
Post by: TECSHARE on January 05, 2019, 04:07:21 AM
Do you not soak up any of the resources outside of the USA borders?

Let me know when you have a point.


Title: Re: A world without borders?
Post by: coins4commies on January 05, 2019, 04:33:28 AM
The point is that in addition to not needing to be citizens to soak up resources, people, especially rich people, do not even need to set foot into a country to soak up resources.  We have soaked up resources from the global south for all of our lives.  That is why conditions are so bad in the first place.  Its not just the obvious resources either.   No one ever sends their coffee grinds or banana peel compost back to the soil where it came from.  


Title: Re: A world without borders?
Post by: JSRAW on January 05, 2019, 07:39:32 AM
Guys, please let us know when this world without borders thingy going to happen. I call dibs on behalf of the Indian subcontinent ( India particular) We can send a few Hundred Million only in the United Kingdom ;D

Sorry China you can choose Japan  :D



Title: Re: A world without borders?
Post by: Spendulus on January 05, 2019, 02:22:13 PM
Let's think for a second.
Would such a world benefit mankind? Would it destabilize the current geo-economics? Is there even a remote possibility that we as humans let go of this ancient tradition of drawing lines on sand that have only served to create problems among masses and has done NOTHING good so far?

In an ideal world borders are just imaginary lines but we don't live in an idealistic world. Would you be willing to forgo the borders of your personal property and land? Everyone is free to use it as they please. ....

Do we get to use not just other peoples' property and land, but their bodies as well?


Title: Re: A world without borders?
Post by: TECSHARE on January 05, 2019, 02:24:35 PM
The point is that in addition to not needing to be citizens to soak up resources, people, especially rich people, do not even need to set foot into a country to soak up resources.  We have soaked up resources from the global south for all of our lives.  That is why conditions are so bad in the first place.  Its not just the obvious resources either.   No one ever sends their coffee grinds or banana peel compost back to the soil where it came from.  

That's called trade. Welcome to the concept. What you are advocating for is confiscation of resources by force and redistribution to others. Additionally the industrialized world is not responsible for holding down every fucking underdeveloped nation, and your assertion to that effect is asinine.


Title: Re: A world without borders?
Post by: BADecker on January 05, 2019, 03:42:33 PM
Guys, please let us know when this world without borders thingy going to happen. I call dibs on behalf of the Indian subcontinent ( India particular) We can send a few Hundred Million only in the United Kingdom ;D

Sorry China you can choose Japan  :D


Even if there weren't any borders, most people wouldn't want to go somewhere else, anyway. But if they did, most of them wouldn't have any way to get there.

8)


Title: Re: A world without borders?
Post by: @kprodip230 on January 27, 2019, 02:02:28 PM
It is fundamentally a system for power over a structure resource on the edge, it is a system for human control and it is commonly a structure to evade different people from access to that affiliation. It guarantees a particular kind of security that is cultivated at a particular place - paying little heed to whether there is a ton of social or political exercises, resources, resources, or controls


Title: Re: A world without borders?
Post by: BADecker on January 27, 2019, 02:16:22 PM
The USA and a few other countries are far freer from border control than most people know. Form a PMA (private membership association), let it buy a chunk of land that sits on the border so that it owns land on both sides, and let people who want to travel over the border become members of the PMA. Then watch the fireworks in the courts.

8)


Title: Re: A world without borders?
Post by: stuffokator on January 28, 2019, 08:31:37 PM
Let's think for a second.
Would such a world benefit mankind? Would it destabilize the current geo-economics? Is there even a remote possibility that we as humans let go of this ancient tradition of drawing lines on sand that have only served to create problems among masses and has done NOTHING good so far?

I think, everyone who says the world would benefit from open borders imagines a single country around the globe with US-like quality of life. Obviously, it is not possible to create such a country at this stage of history. The world we live in was not formed over the night. It took a very long time to establish current borders, and that was done for a reason - to prevent chaos and anarchy around the planet. Yes, there are still wars and ongoing conflicts in some places, but, at least, we (humanity) managed to build a lot of countries where people can feel safe and comfortable, and where people don't have to kill each other for food. And bitcoin isn't gonna erase the "drawn lines" between the nations - there are other, more deep reasons for these lines besides the money.

Do I think there will be borders on Earth forever? Of course, not. Maybe humans will evolve into a more advanced form of life. However, by that time there may be other kind of borders, such as between planets or galaxies.




Title: Re: A world without borders?
Post by: Spendulus on January 28, 2019, 08:50:52 PM
Let's think for a second.
Would such a world benefit mankind? Would it destabilize the current geo-economics? Is there even a remote possibility that we as humans let go of this ancient tradition of drawing lines on sand that have only served to create problems among masses and has done NOTHING good so far?

I hear there was just happening the "World Economic Forum" in DAVOS with 1900 private jets.

How about we direct a couple hundred thousand barefoot wanderers there?

Would there be borders to prevent them getting there?

Would there be locks on all the nice hotel rooms?



Title: Re: A world without borders?
Post by: Chikitita2004 on January 28, 2019, 10:22:32 PM
it's good thinking about that but I think territorial mentality has already been born together with mankind. It is such an instinct that even every individual have this in mind. Even in their surroundings, at home or everywhere they have this urge of setting boundaries for their territories. I think it is the fear for their safety that causes them to do this. Imagine a country without borders, there will be chaos, oppression and will create a really big problem to every individual. 


Title: Re: A world without borders?
Post by: coins4commies on January 29, 2019, 04:06:26 AM
I thought "borders" in the thread title referred to political international borders but it seems many users have taken "borders" to mean any and all boundaries including boundaries for personal space such as doors, locks, and personal homes.  Its strange because no one has ever advocated for a world without the latter.


Title: Re: A world without borders?
Post by: Siren on January 29, 2019, 06:45:05 AM
Let's think for a second.
Would such a world benefit mankind? Would it destabilize the current geo-economics? Is there even a remote possibility that we as humans let go of this ancient tradition of drawing lines on sand that have only served to create problems among masses and has done NOTHING good so far?
This will never happen budz,imagine that all countries are only apart by just a line that called borders and having this gone is the most cruel things that the world might have

Even tribes in the jungle whose owning larger territory has been going to tribal war just because of this border issue,so what about the modern countries like what we have now?

No definitely i will not supporting this one


Title: Re: A world without borders?
Post by: BADecker on January 29, 2019, 12:15:20 PM
Let's think for a second.
Would such a world benefit mankind? Would it destabilize the current geo-economics? Is there even a remote possibility that we as humans let go of this ancient tradition of drawing lines on sand that have only served to create problems among masses and has done NOTHING good so far?
This will never happen budz,imagine that all countries are only apart by just a line that called borders and having this gone is the most cruel things that the world might have

Even tribes in the jungle whose owning larger territory has been going to tribal war just because of this border issue,so what about the modern countries like what we have now?

No definitely i will not supporting this one

Most countries that border other countries ARE separated only by a border line, technically. If the countries of Europe were not separated by official border signs and fences, you wouldn't be able to tell which side you were on.

Jungle tribes are simply families who broke away from their family group ages ago. They have become their own tribal nation. There have always been family squabbles. And that is all nations are... big families. Peace all the time between everybody would be nice, but experience has shown us that it simply is not possible. If it were, we could start right in this thread.

What exactly are you not supporting when you say "No definitely i will not supporting this one?" Because by not supporting, you are forming a border. And by agreeing to a border, you are forming a border by agreement.

8)


Title: Re: A world without borders?
Post by: Spendulus on January 30, 2019, 04:12:35 PM
I thought "borders" in the thread title referred to political international borders but it seems many users have taken "borders" to mean any and all boundaries including boundaries for personal space such as doors, locks, and personal homes.  Its strange because no one has ever advocated for a world without the latter.

It's called taking a basically shitty idea and exaggerating it so that everyone can see what a shitty idea it is.


Title: Re: A world without borders?
Post by: MidKnight on January 31, 2019, 06:13:25 AM
I think it's going to be hard to contain an incident or any bad things that happens in those divided borders.  Because there are some occurences where a new disease just spread or a terror attack just happened, those borders acts the first line of defense and to contain the situation.


Title: Re: A world without borders?
Post by: coins4commies on January 31, 2019, 06:50:55 AM
But the borders only restrict poor people.  Terrorists and business travelers have enough resources to where they barely even notice borders in their day to day lives.  A pandemic does not care if you have a visa.   Crossing any border has never been more than a 5 minute inconvenience in my life but for many people, crossing a border will be the most difficult thing in their entire life.


Title: Re: A world without borders?
Post by: TECSHARE on January 31, 2019, 07:45:59 AM
But the borders only restrict poor people.  Terrorists and business travelers have enough resources to where they barely even notice borders in their day to day lives.  A pandemic does not care if you have a visa.   Crossing any border has never been more than a 5 minute inconvenience in my life but for many people, crossing a border will be the most difficult thing in their entire life.

I think you should give up your home and let some Mexican family move in instead since you feel so strongly about this.


Title: Re: A world without borders?
Post by: Spendulus on January 31, 2019, 12:37:05 PM
But the borders only restrict poor people.  Terrorists and business travelers have enough resources to where they barely even notice borders in their day to day lives.  A pandemic does not care if you have a visa.   Crossing any border has never been more than a 5 minute inconvenience in my life but for many people, crossing a border will be the most difficult thing in their entire life.

5 minute?

That's not the US Southern Border, unless you live by a tiny outpost town like Columbo. Most crossings take hours to get across.


Title: Re: A world without borders?
Post by: maksimukr1989 on February 03, 2019, 08:41:14 PM
Let's think for a second.
Would such a world benefit mankind? Would it destabilize the current geo-economics? Is there even a remote possibility that we as humans let go of this ancient tradition of drawing lines on sand that have only served to create problems among masses and has done NOTHING good so far?
Would such a world benefit mankind?-For all mankind it will certainly be a benefit.Would it destabilize the current geo-economics?-If we imagine that it will happen tomorrow, it will naturally be destabilization.But it will be imaginary and not long.To create such a world-you need cryptocurrency in General and bitcoin in particular.The European Union is an example of such peace.There is no borders.Why not realize such a world on the planet?


Title: Re: A world without borders?
Post by: BADecker on February 04, 2019, 12:39:00 AM
That's why the superrich get together in things like Bilderberg. They are trying to take up ownership of the whole world. The borders would exist at their discretion. Changes in the borders over the last hundred years have been partially done by the superrich. So, in essence we are getting a world with fewer borders even though it looks like the borders are there.

8)


Title: Re: A world without borders?
Post by: Sujoris on February 21, 2019, 04:25:24 PM
See, a world without border makes TOTAL economic sense. Which is why bunch of countries merge together to form on country.. like US, like Germany, like India, China .. and like so many countries in Africa.. so don't give me the bullshit that it would be detrimental - it would be the complete opposite!


Title: Re: A world without borders?
Post by: JSRAW on February 21, 2019, 05:26:41 PM
See, a world without border makes TOTAL economic sense. Which is why bunch of countries merge together to form on country.. like US, like Germany, like India, China .. and like so many countries in Africa.. so don't give me the bullshit that it would be detrimental - it would be the complete opposite!

You are Op of this thread. have you tried to use this on a smaller scale? if not

Then go ahead and try to convince your neighbor first. if he-she agrees which is very very unlikely. then try to implement same with your colony-society-village-city-country- world.

If the neighborhood is not a good choice then Try with your best friend's family or your distant relatives.


Title: Re: A world without borders?
Post by: coolcoinz on February 21, 2019, 06:39:36 PM
Some of the supporters of such open borders are giving an example of the EU as a working example, but it's also an example of how it all can turn to ruin. The EU comprises of rather similar countries (the same skin colour, similar level of education, the same main religion), and it still doesn't work because some member states are opposing certain EU regulations. When they allowed migrants from Africa to move to the EU all hell broke loose.


Title: Re: A world without borders?
Post by: Senkuli on February 22, 2019, 04:11:44 PM
If a country or other continent without borders becomes one how it can manage all continents without limits, and who manages resources in the world without limits, what if it goes back to ancient times where all life without borders or no door to us for transparency is notimagined if that happened.


Title: Re: A world without borders?
Post by: baobao2000 on February 22, 2019, 06:29:06 PM
Is this really good a world without border? I think some time it is better to have border. Just like privacy, do we really want everyone to read our thought, share our property and even our body? We all need privacy and border to protect us. I donít think it make the world better place without border.


Title: Re: A world without borders?
Post by: @kprodip230 on February 23, 2019, 01:54:02 PM
A couple of edges are typically molded, by the ocean, sea, conduit or lake. Mountain expands and even by forest. In any case, most by far of the overall public are totally made. A couple of points of confinement may be battled in the security field. We consider the cutoff points with the objective that they are the commonplace things that are reliably there. Regardless, periphery and the likelihood of ​​having a country is a continuous marvel. This is something that has happened in the last couple of hundred years, and guideline speaking of the world, 50 years after the second world war or 75 years. It's a very new and somewhat basic test to think about the association among individuals and region!


Title: Re: A world without borders?
Post by: Dumont31 on February 24, 2019, 01:04:18 AM
Yes, there could be a world without borders. We are already in the process of changing borders. What are the borders? The borders are outlined by our perception. History and technological advance have taught us that borders are not permanent. We can't deny that we're facing geographic problems, but - perhaps -  the technology overcomes them.
Ideally, it would be nice to have a world without borders, but in reality we can not have it.


Title: Re: A world without borders?
Post by: UserU on February 24, 2019, 06:04:15 AM
Is this really good a world without border? I think some time it is better to have border. Just like privacy, do we really want everyone to read our thought, share our property and even our body? We all need privacy and border to protect us. I donít think it make the world better place without border.

Definitely not. Criminals would even be more effective in escaping and the police enforcements don't even have to knock on your door before they barge in.


Title: Re: A world without borders?
Post by: merchantofzeny on February 26, 2019, 05:48:52 PM
Some of the supporters of such open borders are giving an example of the EU as a working example, but it's also an example of how it all can turn to ruin. The EU comprises of rather similar countries (the same skin colour, similar level of education, the same main religion), and it still doesn't work because some member states are opposing certain EU regulations. When they allowed migrants from Africa to move to the EU all hell broke loose.


Yeah, the news coming out of the EU don't look good. If any of those offenses was done by an immigrant in Saudi Arabia, you can just imagine what will happen to him. It's not even about immigrants being a different color or religion, it's about their capacity for respecting the culture and law of the host country and being thankful of being able to live in such a free and prosperous society (compared to the shithole they left).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NTc6FSyg6Sk


Title: Re: A world without borders?
Post by: Sujoris on March 24, 2019, 09:06:06 AM
See, a world without border makes TOTAL economic sense. Which is why bunch of countries merge together to form on country.. like US, like Germany, like India, China .. and like so many countries in Africa.. so don't give me the bullshit that it would be detrimental - it would be the complete opposite!

You are Op of this thread. have you tried to use this on a smaller scale? if not

Then go ahead and try to convince your neighbor first. if he-she agrees which is very very unlikely. then try to implement same with your colony-society-village-city-country- world.

If the neighborhood is not a good choice then Try with your best friend's family or your distant relatives.

You are brainwashed - there are open communities EVERYwhere on this planet. You are just living in your bubble so you dont know.

Also, having personal privacy is not the same thing as having borders.

A country is not a home.


Title: Re: A world without borders?
Post by: okala on March 24, 2019, 02:22:27 PM
A world without border will work but the current setting of the world will not allow that to happened because a border less world will allows for free trades and the movement from one place to another without restrictions. That will bring the answer to mankind problems.


Title: Re: A world without borders?
Post by: zhekinsp on March 24, 2019, 02:39:17 PM
Its never going to happen innthe future as well,but if this becomes reality then people will get more haooy and no leader will make a peaceful life when everyone have enough money individually but if there is not proper wealth for everyone then it will create chaos as well.


Title: Re: A world without borders?
Post by: coolcoinz on March 24, 2019, 04:39:40 PM
You are brainwashed - there are open communities EVERYwhere on this planet. You are just living in your bubble so you dont know.

Also, having personal privacy is not the same thing as having borders.

A country is not a home.


You fail to understand why open communities can work on a very small scale and the bigger it is the more prone to failure. It's for the same reason why you can cross state borders in the US and it works fine for the people. Put people of different culture, social status, religion in one community, have them respect your property and personal space, and you will become famous. Kids will be learning about you at school.


Title: Re: A world without borders?
Post by: ASHLIUSZ on March 25, 2019, 04:19:36 AM
A world without border will work but the current setting of the world will not allow that to happened because a border less world will allows for free trades and the movement from one place to another without restrictions. That will bring the answer to mankind problems.
World without border seems truly interesting and gives a big change in the entire living. No countries will accept it, because now with the name of governance in every country politicians keeps on earning good through corruption. If it's a world without borders there is very limited possibility for politicians to corrupt.


Title: Re: A world without borders?
Post by: TECSHARE on March 25, 2019, 05:03:59 AM
Is a world "without borders" possible? Sure. Is it desirable? Absolutely not.  Everyone seems to suffer under the delusion that the world will all be brought up to Western industrialized world standards, but anyone who knows anything about economics knows that is impossible at such a scale using currently available technology. What will really happen is the entire developed world will be dragged down to 3rd world standards in the vain attempt to achieve this goal. Once that happens there will then be NOWHERE to escape to.


Title: Re: A world without borders?
Post by: traderethereum on March 25, 2019, 05:50:32 AM
Related to the situations today, actually we are lived in the world without border because we have a technology which could bring us to a new whole world. We could meet someone from another country and see their face, talk to them but we could not touch them. I am sure that in the future, we could do that as we have the power to create or develop new technology that could send them or us to our places. It's will be like a StarTrek movie ;D


Title: Re: A world without borders?
Post by: JSRAW on March 25, 2019, 07:15:27 AM
~snip~

You are brainwashed - there are open communities EVERYwhere on this planet. You are just living in your bubble so you dont know.

Also, having personal privacy is not the same thing as having borders.

A country is not a home.



Your name sounds Indian to me so l will try to give you one practical or according to you brainwashed example :D. So you want a world without border in such a way where people can move from place A to place B without any restriction at their will, right? Here is my take.

Countries are like a big home and Borders makes them as a room ( Man-made) there is nothing wrong in it. Every country-room has its own culture, history, and space. Some are big, some are small, and just like other rooms some are semi-furnished, some are Fully furnished and in some cases not furnished at all.

Now Imagine people from the Bigger room, semi furnished ( India) wants to move in a small but Fully furnished room (Switzerland) sounds good right? Hell yeah, I am Indian and sounds perfect to me. But it's a practical approach? NO

Because if even 1% of Indians move to Switzerland, then there will be no Switzerland anymore. It will become mini India, automatically followed by dead of Swiss culture, history and then quickly downgrade from developed to developing nation.

If you still can't grasp the essence then try to imagine millions of Bangladeshi entering in West Bengal every week :D no offense to my Bangladeshi friends.


Title: Re: A world without borders?
Post by: Malsetid on March 26, 2019, 01:32:08 PM
The world doesn't have borders. It's only its inhabitants that create imaginary lines and fight over who gets the bigger piece of land. We don't own this earth, we're as temporary as lit cigarette. Though i'd have to admit that john lennon's dream is next to impossible because it's in our nature to be territorial. It's just nice to think about living ina  world where all these illusions are non-existent and we could treat each other as just human beings.


Title: Re: A world without borders?
Post by: Spendulus on March 26, 2019, 01:36:43 PM
....
Now Imagine people from the Bigger room, semi furnished ( India) wants to move in a small but Fully furnished room (Switzerland) sounds good right? Hell yeah, I am Indian and sounds perfect to me. But it's a practical approach? NO

Because if even 1% of Indians move to Switzerland, then there will be no Switzerland anymore. ...

But the Indians, some of them, arguably the more corrupt, do not care or would like that to happen.

Same with Muslims, whose creeds and doctrines instruct them to do pretty much just this.

So what you have is those who "want to take your land" trying to talk you into "It's a Good Thing!"

They think you are pretty stupid.


Title: Re: A world without borders?
Post by: JSRAW on March 31, 2019, 07:45:56 AM
But the Indians, some of them, arguably the more corrupt, do not care or would like that to happen.
IMHO Indians are no different from rest all of the nationality. "Everyone is naked in the hammam."

I do agree that Indians love to migrate or fancy this idea but not as a refugee, in fact, its other way around. Indians who resettle in the Western World are cream of the Indian society. There is a reason we don't see many-any Indian refugees in any country.

Fun Fact: Indian is possibly corrupt and wrong when he-she is in India but When outside of the country he-she is the ideal citizen in most cases.

Same with Muslims, whose creeds and doctrines instruct them to do pretty much just this.
Yes, Islamic doctrine is dangerous, and they want more or less same, that's what we are witnessing atm with all refugee fiasco. But I would like to minus Indian Muslims in this context because Indian Muslim arguably the sanest Muslims in this world, we do have our fair share of fucked up Islamists, but all of them are on the check in some extent.

So what you have is those who "want to take your land" trying to talk you into "It's a Good Thing!"

They think you are pretty stupid.

In this case, history tells us that always Keep your guard up and let them think whatever they think.


Title: Re: A world without borders?
Post by: JohnBitCo on May 20, 2019, 04:53:25 PM
See, a world without border makes TOTAL economic sense. Which is why bunch of countries merge together to form on country.. like US, like Germany, like India, China .. and like so many countries in Africa.. so don't give me the bullshit that it would be detrimental - it would be the complete opposite!

You are Op of this thread. have you tried to use this on a smaller scale? if not

Then go ahead and try to convince your neighbor first. if he-she agrees which is very very unlikely. then try to implement same with your colony-society-village-city-country- world.

If the neighborhood is not a good choice then Try with your best friend's family or your distant relatives.

You are brainwashed - there are open communities EVERYwhere on this planet. You are just living in your bubble so you dont know.

Also, having personal privacy is not the same thing as having borders.

A country is not a home.


The World is divided into continents and then continents into countries, countries to cities and so on, till we reach to the individual homes. All this division is to decentralize the power.  If there was a one country and no borders, how could a single man control all the countries or rather the whole world ?

A borderless world will be a big mismanaged and abuse of resources whereby the people will use illegal means to acquires resources and the crime will rule.


Title: Re: A world without borders?
Post by: Naida_BR on May 20, 2019, 06:33:56 PM
Boarders are necessary not to regulate and limit humans but we need them for spotting illegal materials.
Their need is to create some spots/places that would work as inspection places that would stop criminals in making their actions freely.


Title: Re: A world without borders?
Post by: B1tUnl0ck3r on May 20, 2019, 08:22:13 PM
Let's think for a second.
Would such a world benefit mankind? Would it destabilize the current geo-economics? Is there even a remote possibility that we as humans let go of this ancient tradition of drawing lines on sand that have only served to create problems among masses and has done NOTHING good so far?

You want Donald J Trump as President of the ONE WORLD GOV? Or maybe it's his successor that you will hate... so please. which law to rule this vast area? mine? yours? why do you think yours will win the struggle? Why should I follow your rules to establish my rules? because you made those rules? logic isn't it :)

ahhh your law is from "god"... you say so? your proofs? not that your laws is from "god"... please... because you say so... ahhh your law are the most intelligent and just? so km or miles? left or right?

See, a world without border makes TOTAL economic sense. Which is why bunch of countries merge together to form on country.. like US, like Germany, like India, China .. and like so many countries in Africa.. so don't give me the bullshit that it would be detrimental - it would be the complete opposite!

You are Op of this thread. have you tried to use this on a smaller scale? if not

Then go ahead and try to convince your neighbor first. if he-she agrees which is very very unlikely. then try to implement same with your colony-society-village-city-country- world.

If the neighborhood is not a good choice then Try with your best friend's family or your distant relatives.

You are brainwashed - there are open communities EVERYwhere on this planet. You are just living in your bubble so you dont know.

Also, having personal privacy is not the same thing as having borders.

A country is not a home.


The World is divided into continents and then continents into countries, countries to cities and so on, till we reach to the individual homes. All this division is to decentralize the power.  If there was a one country and no borders, how could a single man control all the countries or rather the whole world ?

A borderless world will be a big mismanaged and abuse of resources whereby the people will use illegal means to acquires resources and the crime will rule.

you know this borderless world is soo funny to me :) I mean they can win land and land, corrupt political system, use the neurovirus of the medias, and then they hit a real border... shoot to kill begins, their minions are jailed and killed, and so they will start to think :).

My self I read about the intestine used as border marking in some african spots... promise, if I cross is with such might that those human rests used as border marking will be hashed way before :).

One of the most ridiculous topic in this forum ;). the level of stupidity of those believing in this ideology is just so shattering, and their failing in all domains so unavoidable that really, I can't even take them seriously. What is even more funny is their collective fear of weapon gears :), I mean dance ! higher... duck... :).

anyway, it's pysop :).


Title: Re: A world without borders?
Post by: MysteryMiner on May 21, 2019, 04:19:57 PM
World without borders will be exactly like home without walls. No security, no privacy. We as a species need a structure. As a individual I need my room. As a family we need our house. As an ethnic group we need our country to keep niggers out.


Title: Re: A world without borders?
Post by: okala on May 21, 2019, 09:21:20 PM
Let's think for a second.
Would such a world benefit mankind? Would it destabilize the current geo-economics? Is there even a remote possibility that we as humans let go of this ancient tradition of drawing lines on sand that have only served to create problems among masses and has done NOTHING good so far?
A world without border is the next generational world were the level of industrialization and globalisation will be at it pick, and adopting digital currency as the currency of the global village will be the ultimate. I believe this kind of world is achievable but it will take lots of efforts to have a peaceful borderless world.


Title: Re: A world without borders?
Post by: coins4commies on May 22, 2019, 01:50:05 AM
Before today, I never read OP as a literal call to end borders.  I don't even agree with that.  

I always saw it as a call to end restrictions on human movement across borders.  That doesn't mean we shouldn't have passport control across borders but it doesn't mean we need that either.  I like to think of it as a global Schengen. When I travel within the US from state to state overland, I don't need to go through passport control.  The borders are still there and are still real.   I hardly need to get a visa to travel to most of the world.  

Giving people a right to movement doesn't mean they can come into your private space.  False dichotomy.  We can have freedom of movement and personal privacy.  


Title: Re: A world without borders?
Post by: Spendulus on May 22, 2019, 01:56:33 AM
Before today, I never read OP as a literal call to end borders.  I don't even agree with that.  

I always saw it as a call to end restrictions on human movement across borders.  That doesn't mean we shouldn't have passport control across borders but it doesn't mean we need that either.  I like to think of it as a global Schengen. When I travel within the US from state to state overland, I don't need to go through passport control.  The borders are still there and are still real.   I hardly need to get a visa to travel to most of the world.  

Giving people a right to movement doesn't mean they can come into your private space.  False dichotomy.  We can have freedom of movement and personal privacy.  

The climate change effect of millions moving into Europe is millions times the prior co2 production per year, subtracted from their expected future co2 production per year.

And that adds to well in excess of a billion tons of co2 for a ten year period or so.

Guilt and responsibility for that falls on the likes of you, who actively encourage such illegal immigration.


Title: Re: A world without borders?
Post by: TECSHARE on May 22, 2019, 07:07:19 PM
I will just leave this here: https://truththeory.com/2019/05/22/man-faces-20-years-in-prison-for-leaving-food-and-water-in-desert-for-migrants/


Title: Re: A world without borders?
Post by: Viron on May 22, 2019, 07:24:49 PM
Let's think for a second.
Would such a world benefit mankind? Would it destabilize the current geo-economics? Is there even a remote possibility that we as humans let go of this ancient tradition of drawing lines on sand that have only served to create problems among masses and has done NOTHING good so far?

Even if you remove that particular barrier, there's still a ton of other barriers that'd prevent peace and prosperity, stuff like language, culture, beliefs, morals...etc.
It also needs to be said: this current migrant crisis has shown how bad it can be when people with no will to integrate swarm a country.
You can see the damages all over Europe.


Title: Re: A world without borders?
Post by: Airbuxf on May 23, 2019, 07:21:59 AM
I think there is possibility for that, but there should be many changes in the world to do that. IDK the idea is to make 1 country or only no boarders. More possible is 1 country in future.


Title: Re: A world without borders?
Post by: Spendulus on May 23, 2019, 04:25:36 PM
...

Giving people a right to movement doesn't mean they can come into your private space.  False dichotomy.  We can have freedom of movement and personal privacy.  

Not so, look at the plight of the ranchers along the US border. They can't even go out without firearms.


Title: Re: A world without borders?
Post by: wattcrypto on May 23, 2019, 11:09:55 PM
I think we could all benefit from a world that does not have borders. There is a lot we can learn from each other and from different systems especially as we start to transact on a global scale it makes sense that we break down political 'walls'

wishful thinking but hey it might change over time 


Title: Re: A world without borders?
Post by: tinyblue on May 23, 2019, 11:45:14 PM
That's not going to happen. By nature too many people desire power. Also, how is one person, entity, system, going to get things running for every corner of the Earth?


Title: Re: A world without borders?
Post by: bonker on May 24, 2019, 06:33:01 AM
I think there is possibility for that, but there should be many changes in the world to do that. IDK the idea is to make 1 country or only no boarders. More possible is 1 country in future.
One country will never be possible in my opinion because each country have their own tradition and leaders so how they are going to merge each other and who will take over the power of that single country.


Title: Re: A world without borders?
Post by: sunilnagaraja1996 on May 24, 2019, 10:36:48 AM
Without border is very difficult to any country, so every country should have with border that is very safe to all, otherwise we should face many problems,it means no rules, anybody can enter easily.


Title: Re: A world without borders?
Post by: LUCKMCFLY on May 27, 2019, 01:20:07 PM
I do not believe that it destabilizes the global geoeconomy, because the borders are made as a control measure, but we are all human, the frontiers as some technologies have been totally centralized and have not been totally released to humanity as a control measure.

If there were no borders it is very likely that the economies among the nations would be much more dynamic, there would not be so many problems of emigration to countries that offer a substantially strong economy, such as for example the US economy, that practically for any work you take you are paid instant and for what it is.

In countries where these possibilities do not exist, they are totally exploited, and they work long hours to earn very little, and this does not make sense, because if you work a lot you must earn a lot, that is law, otherwise it is a failed communist system that does not serve nothing but to delay a nation many years ago even of yesteryear.

The masses can not do much if their rulers do not provide certain facilities to leave and exchange goods and services, as well as materials for companies and give them capitalization power.
What has been achieved is between the borders to generate a big business among those who care for it, for example Border between Colombia-Venezuela, a normal country vs a destroyed country, where the government closed border and people must pay money to go through the illegal roads, that is a rot of a communist system and failed.


Title: Re: A world without borders?
Post by: BADecker on May 27, 2019, 04:19:47 PM
^^^ You are right, but you are wrong.

We need borders to protect us in some ways. If you don't want a personal border like the walls of your house, unlock your doors, and advertise that you have done so. How long will it take before loads of people have taken everything that you own, and maybe raped your wife and killed you and your whole family?

Yet open borders are good for free trade.

The solution is to maintain local borders for traders, but to maintain standard borders for all who are malisciouly against us. This is accomplish by observing the people who come through the borders, and what they bring along with them. It is also accomplished by taking them to court for any harm or damage they do, and making them pay "eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, life for life..." plus extra for the inconvenience they have caused.

In the case where they are to be executed for the harm/damage they have caused, let them work it off in forced labor before they are executed.

8)


Title: Re: A world without borders?
Post by: StaffDear on May 28, 2019, 03:46:59 PM
I think world without borders will bring chaos to all the cultures. It will cause mass migration to the wealthy countries,  bringing there crimes and ruination.

I think we could all benefit from a world that does not have borders. There is a lot we can learn from each other and from different systems especially as we start to transact on a global scale it makes sense that we break down political 'walls'

wishful thinking but hey it might change over time 

Not necessarily to live without borders to learn from each other. Now there is a great opportunity to travel. But better to live at your own home.


Title: Re: A world without borders?
Post by: uneng on May 29, 2019, 07:53:58 PM
I do not believe that it destabilizes the global geoeconomy, because the borders are made as a control measure, but we are all human, the frontiers as some technologies have been totally centralized and have not been totally released to humanity as a control measure.

If there were no borders it is very likely that the economies among the nations would be much more dynamic, there would not be so many problems of emigration to countries that offer a substantially strong economy, such as for example the US economy, that practically for any work you take you are paid instant and for what it is.

In countries where these possibilities do not exist, they are totally exploited, and they work long hours to earn very little, and this does not make sense, because if you work a lot you must earn a lot, that is law, otherwise it is a failed communist system that does not serve nothing but to delay a nation many years ago even of yesteryear.

The masses can not do much if their rulers do not provide certain facilities to leave and exchange goods and services, as well as materials for companies and give them capitalization power.
What has been achieved is between the borders to generate a big business among those who care for it, for example Border between Colombia-Venezuela, a normal country vs a destroyed country, where the government closed border and people must pay money to go through the illegal roads, that is a rot of a communist system and failed.
Keep in mind countries where the situation is calamitous (like in Venezuela) people are guilty for that situation: they created the monsters, they believed in lies and blamed prosperous countries by envy. If they caused so much damage to their own lands, why should other countries accept them there? To take the risk of being invaded and destroyed by people who didn't care for their homeland?

Of course not everyone in a country is guilty for the currently situation and some people really don't deserve that miserable situation, but I put myself on the first world countries place to think how they feel about it. They are just caring for their countries, and thanks to borders they can do this.

Furthermore, economical barriers already don't exist, otherwise Venezuela wouldn't sell oil to Usa while blaming the imperialism. :)


Title: Re: A world without borders?
Post by: B1tUnl0ck3r on May 29, 2019, 08:06:34 PM
I am just curious if you are aware of : R-selection and K-selection concept? I know for some reading between the lines is very hard. But still it asks the question why do you want to become a cultural minority in your own homeland? Do you believe decolonization in the world was "racist" or what ever new term you like to use? Don't you think those people had a right to self determination?

A world without border and one legislative order ruled by Donald J. Trump seem to be paradise for you? Why do you believe your men will lead this "one world gov"? I don't really understand how you can be that certain? Fist and foremost your men will hide behind walls of security guys (like zuckerberg), what will prevent the "one world praetorian guard" to take control against "your" chosen leader?

I don't understand how you solve the systemic risk of your concept? Or maybe you will implement "fema region" and "travel restriction" were only the "selected few" will have rights to change zones?

Anyway, I think most of those in the little "no border", one world gov will get killed at the border of China... so good luck, and please eat healthy, you will be better fertilizers :)

And how do you plan to finish "sharia compliant legislation"? I mean you will suicide bomb yourself to conquer meccah and silence those sheiks? Good luck... they have walled already :).

Good luck to defeat those, and it's only a small sample :

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/44/Masjid_al-Haram_panorama.JPG/1024px-Masjid_al-Haram_panorama.JPG

you are all soooo fucking dumb... and the more your wages will be arbitraged, the more idiotic you will look... it's not even pathetic, it's... you.

extract to under k-r selection... read between the line, understand the concept, apply it to an ecosystem, think... learn to understand balance and harmony...

anyway, rocks, and those hidding under, are way smarter than the no border...

meanwhile... while you waste your brain cycle on this... what can't you see... everything they want to hide from you, and like muppets, you are so arrogant you believe to understand, without even asking, but simply regurgitating...

It becomes, painful... peace !  

In fact the declining birthrate in Japan shows the failure of sexism in the modern world.

All it proves is that R-selection dark skinned people reproduce out of control like rats until resources, space, and everything else is gone and then resort to cannibalism, while K-selection whites and asians self regulate reproduction to not be completely miserable and overflowing with people.  Enormous city population living is not conducive to the human primate environment.  There's no reason birth rates should be high in the first place in that type of environment.  The Japanese don't give a shit about reproducing solely to facilitate some sort of dysfunctional economic model.  Lebensraum - living space.


Title: Re: A world without borders?
Post by: KingScorpio on May 29, 2019, 09:33:34 PM
the world without borders will only exist for the super rich,

for all others there will be financial and social barriers at least.

even if you get a world without borders

you then get into a world where you have no money and need money for people to help you around.

plus

there will be people blocking foreigners especially tourists from visiting.

regards


Title: Re: A world without borders?
Post by: CARrency on May 29, 2019, 11:18:45 PM
Let's think for a second.
Would such a world benefit mankind? Would it destabilize the current geo-economics? Is there even a remote possibility that we as humans let go of this ancient tradition of drawing lines on sand that have only served to create problems among masses and has done NOTHING good so far?

I think that would be great but that is just a child's dream. With a lot of things happened, people grew up with their anger with someone, someone that might be their countrymen, or from other countries. One of the 7 deadly sins is anger and that is the reason it can't be done. Addition to that is greed and I think that is the main reason why this will never happen.


Title: Re: A world without borders?
Post by: iamsheikhadil on May 30, 2019, 05:08:53 AM
Although in many terms one may call me a globalist, but I disagree on the idea of a world without any borders lol. Simply because a world without any borders would be played on the assumption that all ethnicity and all individuals will be equally open minded and not be conservative and live in harmony and such a broad assumption is expected to be more hazardous than we can imagine and it may even lead to a globalised civil war. So, I would never support such ideas until we have the technology to know what is in people's heart as maybe in their hearts they still prefer their ethnicity as most superior ;)


Title: Re: A world without borders?
Post by: Daniel91 on May 30, 2019, 06:15:48 PM
Although in many terms one may call me a globalist, but I disagree on the idea of a world without any borders lol. Simply because a world without any borders would be played on the assumption that all ethnicity and all individuals will be equally open minded and not be conservative and live in harmony and such a broad assumption is expected to be more hazardous than we can imagine and it may even lead to a globalised civil war. So, I would never support such ideas until we have the technology to know what is in people's heart as maybe in their hearts they still prefer their ethnicity as most superior ;)

It's great idea, I agree, but not for our time.
I believe that this will happen in the future, but in a very distant future, perhaps 1,000 or more years.
Right now, such idea is not realistic because people are not mature enough and we have a lot conflicts, different cultures and traditions and people have not yet learned to accept differences.
I think we will first have to create a unique world culture and tradition.


Title: Re: A world without borders?
Post by: Spendulus on May 31, 2019, 01:50:48 PM
Although in many terms one may call me a globalist, but I disagree on the idea of a world without any borders lol. Simply because a world without any borders would be played on the assumption that all ethnicity and all individuals will be equally open minded and not be conservative and live in harmony and such a broad assumption is expected to be more hazardous than we can imagine and it may even lead to a globalised civil war. So, I would never support such ideas until we have the technology to know what is in people's heart as maybe in their hearts they still prefer their ethnicity as most superior ;)

It's great idea, I agree, but not for our time.
I believe that this will happen in the future, but in a very distant future, perhaps 1,000 or more years.
Right now, such idea is not realistic because people are not mature enough and we have a lot conflicts, different cultures and traditions and people have not yet learned to accept differences.
I think we will first have to create a unique world culture and tradition.

This kind of talk is utter nonsense.

Simplifying your response, it becomes....

"It's a very bad idea."


Title: Re: A world without borders?
Post by: Daniel91 on May 31, 2019, 03:01:30 PM
Although in many terms one may call me a globalist, but I disagree on the idea of a world without any borders lol. Simply because a world without any borders would be played on the assumption that all ethnicity and all individuals will be equally open minded and not be conservative and live in harmony and such a broad assumption is expected to be more hazardous than we can imagine and it may even lead to a globalised civil war. So, I would never support such ideas until we have the technology to know what is in people's heart as maybe in their hearts they still prefer their ethnicity as most superior ;)

It's great idea, I agree, but not for our time.
I believe that this will happen in the future, but in a very distant future, perhaps 1,000 or more years.
Right now, such idea is not realistic because people are not mature enough and we have a lot conflicts, different cultures and traditions and people have not yet learned to accept differences.
I think we will first have to create a unique world culture and tradition.

This kind of talk is utter nonsense.

Simplifying your response, it becomes....

"It's a very bad idea."

You have the right to your opinion, of course.
Still, it is difficult to give a concrete answer to such a general and hypothetical question.
Borders and countries exist already about ten thousand years in human history, more or less, and will continue to exist until we solve some fundamental issues in our civilization like security, protection of national and religious values, protection from migrants etc.



Title: Re: A world without borders?
Post by: Spendulus on May 31, 2019, 07:17:57 PM
Although in many terms one may call me a globalist, but I disagree on the idea of a world without any borders lol. Simply because a world without any borders would be played on the assumption that all ethnicity and all individuals will be equally open minded and not be conservative and live in harmony and such a broad assumption is expected to be more hazardous than we can imagine and it may even lead to a globalised civil war. So, I would never support such ideas until we have the technology to know what is in people's heart as maybe in their hearts they still prefer their ethnicity as most superior ;)

It's great idea, I agree, but not for our time.
I believe that this will happen in the future, but in a very distant future, perhaps 1,000 or more years.
Right now, such idea is not realistic because people are not mature enough and we have a lot conflicts, different cultures and traditions and people have not yet learned to accept differences.
I think we will first have to create a unique world culture and tradition.

This kind of talk is utter nonsense.

Simplifying your response, it becomes....

"It's a very bad idea."

You have the right to your opinion, of course.
Still, it is difficult to give a concrete answer to such a general and hypothetical question.
....
Actually, that's my very point. It's the easiest thing in the world to answer a poorly phrased or worded question. The answer is "NO" and there's no need whatsoever to develop a nuanced answer. The problem is with the statement as posed.

Let's reduce it to some simple real world analogies.

(A) Shall we take down the fence between Israel and Palestine within one year?

(B) Between N and S Korea, within five years?

(C) Between Mexico and the USA, within ten years?

These can be debated.


Title: Re: A world without borders?
Post by: kotajikikox on June 01, 2019, 02:22:22 AM
If the world has no boarder the world will be called as one nation.why does it happens that there is so many country now.if you believe in bible God did to seperate people from each other.people did not listen and not obey of what God said.because of that people dont understand each other so for a few people they spread and seperate each other and do there own lives.so now theres a lot of nation now having a boarder because they want there own lives.they also wants there own property and do there own belief and law.
For me if theres no boarder we are in one nation,only one leader to follow no need for passport you can go where ever you want.

If no boarder no nation can be called a poor or a rich country because we can called as one.

But for now it is impossible to do this as one nation all over the world.


Title: Re: A world without borders?
Post by: BADecker on June 01, 2019, 02:52:11 AM
Trump and his buddies figured out a novel way to stop border crossings. But it's gonna affect us all in some unique and unexpected ways.  :o


"If You Weren't Worried Before, Worry Now" (http://www.freedomsphoenix.com/News/262163-2019-05-31-if-you-werent-worried-before-worry-now.htm)



Don't get me wrong. Up until this morning I was going to say that it was China you should worry about the most as the May manufacturing PMI slumped to 49.4, and because June was already looking ugly for CNY (as Bloomberg notes today). Moreover, if you listen to recent statements from the White House, and read tweets from a few key US market participants, you could make a strong argument there will soon be US sanctions placed on China over its alleged concentration camps in Xinjiang. (Which readers who have spoken to me personally may recall I have long been suggesting would be a logical--and powerfully disruptive--'moral' weapon for the US to use next.)


Notice that the site address is Zero Hedge. They have so many ad interruptions that I disconnect so that I can read the articles.


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Title: Re: A world without borders?
Post by: Johnzky on June 01, 2019, 04:46:30 AM
Let's think for a second.
Would such a world benefit mankind? Would it destabilize the current geo-economics? Is there even a remote possibility that we as humans let go of this ancient tradition of drawing lines on sand that have only served to create problems among masses and has done NOTHING good so far?
The question is how?if the world has no boarder this means we must be managed by one leader?because the conflict will always occur if we have different president or leader while we have no separation from each otherís.for me this is impossible to happen since we are separated by cultures,religions and bringingís so in the end it will always a trouble letting each one enters other territories

Until the end of the world this will remain ,the boundaries and lines is part of every people lives just like how we have our own houses this same as having own country


Title: Re: A world without borders?
Post by: Naida_BR on June 03, 2019, 06:01:23 PM
I think there is possibility for that, but there should be many changes in the world to do that. IDK the idea is to make 1 country or only no boarders. More possible is 1 country in future.

1 country is the most impossible thing to happen in the future.
This is going to cause anarchy and harm the stability of the world. Not to mention that terrorists would find a way to conquer all the places they want to.


Title: Re: A world without borders?
Post by: kooboat on June 03, 2019, 11:45:36 PM
World without borders or ang boundaries is not advisable as that destroys the sovereignty of countries in the world. There are still many unresolved issues with many countries. Clearly we are seeing more division and chaos than unity and co-existence in the world.


Title: Re: A world without borders?
Post by: BADecker on June 06, 2019, 01:58:31 PM
There will always be borders, just as a person's skin is a border to his body.

People need to socialize together to some extent. But they never socialize entirely. If they did, they would combine with those with whom they socialize.

Borders are good, just like differences of opinion are good. But crossing borders under invitation or contract (visa) is good just like sharing opinions is good.

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Title: Re: A world without borders?
Post by: Daniel91 on June 06, 2019, 02:26:03 PM
There will always be borders, just as a person's skin is a border to his body.

People need to socialize together to some extent. But they never socialize entirely. If they did, they would combine with those with whom they socialize.

Borders are good, just like differences of opinion are good. But crossing borders under invitation or contract (visa) is good just like sharing opinions is good.

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In the world today we need borders, I agree, but I believe that time will come when we will not need borders.
Believers waiting for ''a New Jerusalem'' ideal world governed by God.
Communist also belived in ideal world, communist world, Atheists believe in utopia etc.
They all believe in great social change after which people will live in an ideal world without division or conflict.
I'm not optimistic that such great social changes will happen soon but it will happen.
People always want to live better and more freely and it will never change.


Title: Re: A world without borders?
Post by: BADecker on June 06, 2019, 07:25:43 PM
^^^ Except for one thing. All of history shows that tranquil societies don't last for long. Every long-lasting society like Roman, Greek, and Chinese, etc., are filled with violence right within their borders. So, how can there be peace outside their borders.

The only time there will be true, borderless peace is when God ordains it to happen that way. But there will still be borders. There will still be individuals. The borders will only operate around which froup or individual is better at being peaceful. Lack of peace will never be included.

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Title: Re: A world without borders?
Post by: ck343 on June 07, 2019, 09:59:30 AM
Let's think for a second.
Would such a world benefit mankind? 
No. Borders are normal in human society.
My propriety has borders. If you traspass I'll sue you.
Enterprises have borders. They protect their business.
Communities have borders, within which they take care of their members.
They have the right of setting the rules in there.
They have the right of asking strangers who want to come in to respect those rules.
Etc.
Same on national level etc.
I'm not talking only about physical borders


Title: Re: A world without borders?
Post by: FriendlyIntellect on June 07, 2019, 01:40:45 PM
A world without borders for me is the ideal world.
Where you can dream it and see it happen.
Where peace exists.

And in order to achieve this, we need more leaders in you and I.
More people to take responsibility for the world and make positive impact.

That's my take.


Title: Re: A world without borders?
Post by: BADecker on June 07, 2019, 02:17:30 PM
^^^ It's called Heaven. You get there through death, if you have the right attitude about God. Guns simply make it less painful to get there. However, if you don't have the right attitude about God, don't die if you know what's good for you.

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Title: Re: A world without borders?
Post by: Vilakilet on June 09, 2019, 11:05:38 AM
chaos.


Title: Re: A world without borders?
Post by: Naida_BR on June 11, 2019, 05:15:19 PM
A world without borders for me is the ideal world.
Where you can dream it and see it happen.
Where peace exists.

And in order to achieve this, we need more leaders in you and I.
More people to take responsibility for the world and make positive impact.

That's my take.

How can you say that a world with no boarders will be a place that only peace will exist?
We are different races, we believe in different religions and have different political thoughts. Imagine if all these would be place in one. Everyone would want to be superior against others. Actually not a place that would promote peace.


Title: Re: A world without borders?
Post by: Cootie on June 14, 2019, 05:56:16 AM
Let's think for a second.
Would such a world benefit mankind? Would it destabilize the current geo-economics? Is there even a remote possibility that we as humans let go of this ancient tradition of drawing lines on sand that have only served to create problems among masses and has done NOTHING good so far?
This would be beneficial if we found true peace. A world where everybody understands and trusts each another. However, in today's world, it is so far from reality. Misunderstanding, prejudice, pride and many negative stuffs rampantly existing in our society. With that stuff going on, I think this borderless world will not work out or will collapse soon enough.